Rambo: Last Blood

[Punisher007]

It's astonishing how much the sequels missed the point of the character. Although part 4 at least TRIED to get some of that essence back, so there's that at least. IDK if I've ever seen another franchise that forgot what it's lead was supposed to represent so completely as this one.

No wonder David Morrell hates the film.

[Punisher007]

I find it ridiculous that a movie about a man saving a girl from a cartel specializing in human trafficking is somehow a trump supporter power fantasy.

White hero goes into crime infested violent Mexico (inaccurately portrayed from what I've heard as well) to save someone from EVVIIILLL Mexican bad guys and slaughters countless of them in a brutal vigilante spree. Yeah I cannot imagine why many would see that as Trumpian power fantasy (sarcasm).

It's basically Taken, but even dumber.

[Immortal Weapon]

White hero goes into crime infested violent Mexico (inaccurately portrayed from what I've heard as well) to save someone from EVVIIILLL Mexican bad guys and slaughters countless of them in a brutal vigilante spree. Yeah I cannot imagine why many would see that as Trumpian power fantasy (sarcasm).

It's basically Taken, but even dumber.

Mexicans can't be villains in a movie or else it's Trumpian? Sounds like a load of crap to me. From what I read about this movie, it doesn't even scratch the surface of what actual Cartels tend to do.

[Nate Grey]

I get why the writer hates it his character was an indictment on war and it effects on soldiers not glorifying the brutality tought soldiers.

The real question though is did Morrell like the cartoon?

[RyanBlueThunder]

Mexicans can't be villains in a movie or else it's Trumpian? Sounds like a load of crap to me. From what I read about this movie, it doesn't even scratch the surface of what actual Cartels tend to do.

The movie "Three Amigos" is a racist Trumpian fantasy where three whites named Lucky Day, Dusty Bottoms and Ned Nederlander invade Mexico to rescue Carmen from the clutches of local gang led by "El Guapo." The white guys were quite offensive wearing sombreros and mocking the local gang members with song and dance. It was said there was a plethora of pinatas. Rating: Zero out of five stars.

[regnak]

For people who think the cartels aren’t that bad


https://www.therichest.com/shocking/...-drug-cartels/

If the movie doesn’t have chainsaw decapitations they likely understating their viciousness. That is number 3 on the list if if you don’t feel like reading the whole thing. Number 7 with the brazen abduction of 43 teachers at once seems quite relevant as well.

[Punisher007]

No one is arguing that the cartels are bad, so can we drop that straw man argument already. The film as a whole feels Trumpian. It's not hard to see why. When you chooses to ONLY focus on the crappy parts of an entire country for the sake of your cliché revenge porn you then don't get to whine when people call you out on it.

Everything Trump claims Mexico is, this movie portrays it as being exactly that.

Really this entire film was a mistake. The last one gave far more convincing closure to Rambo and was more fitting towards his character as well.

[Nate Grey]

Here's the thing...I never got the impression they were a cartel. It seemed like they were simply a small sex trafficking ring that happened to be paramilitary. And even the paramilitary part, I think it was just that one guy putting up the bat signal for any and every available mercenary he could find on a moment's notice (can't say who the guy was or the context without being spoilery). I didn't even get the impression they ran that town. 2-3 buildings, yes, but not the whole town.

If it was a full-fledged cartel Rambo would have needed mercenaries of his own like he had in the last film to basically do, well, anything without getting killed instantly.

The movie was meant to be small in scope to give the series a coda, an actual cartel would be the opposite of that (ie NOT small in scope).

[regnak]

No one is arguing that the cartels are bad, so can we drop that straw man argument already. The film as a whole feels Trumpian. It's not hard to see why. When you chooses to ONLY focus on the crappy parts of an entire country for the sake of your cliché revenge porn you then don't get to whine when people call you out on it.

Everything Trump claims Mexico is, this movie portrays it as being exactly that.

Really this entire film was a mistake. The last one gave far more convincing closure to Rambo and was more fitting towards his character as well.

Hello you are the one that said inaccurately portrayed while that article has worse things. Moreover in an action movie of course you will see more evil than average for wherever it is set. It sounds to me like the writers just took a few facts off that list and made a movie around it.

[Immortal Weapon]

No one is arguing that the cartels are bad, so can we drop that straw man argument already. The film as a whole feels Trumpian. It's not hard to see why. When you chooses to ONLY focus on the crappy parts of an entire country for the sake of your cliché revenge porn you then don't get to whine when people call you out on it.

Everything Trump claims Mexico is, this movie portrays it as being exactly that.

Really this entire film was a mistake. The last one gave far more convincing closure to Rambo and was more fitting towards his character as well.

You expect Cartels to run in the most wholesome parts of Mexico? Of course the places they run at will be shitholes. You seem to ignore that all the supporting characters that are Mexican that help Rambo. Two of them help turn his life around helping him adjust to life at the ranch. There's the journalist that was instrumental in helping him take the cartel down.

Movie isn't Trumpian at all. That's projection taken to a ridiculous degree.

[AnakinFlair]

White hero goes into crime infested violent Mexico (inaccurately portrayed from what I've heard as well) to save someone from EVVIIILLL Mexican bad guys and slaughters countless of them in a brutal vigilante spree. Yeah I cannot imagine why many would see that as Trumpian power fantasy (sarcasm).

It's basically Taken, but even dumber.

While I agree with you, I remember when the last movie came out that Stallone was talking of making one more with basically this plot. I think he even mentions it in the commentary for Rambo. So it was always going to be this.

[AJBopp]

No the owner of the property decides canon. Fans can choose to ignore it or not. But canon has a meaning and in this context it is the officially recognized timeline.

Just curious I guess what fans think canon actually means. That fictional characters and situations are true in some cases but not others? And someone arbitrarily gets to decide what's canon, and then change that when the franchise is sold and someone else gets to decide for all of us what's true "now" what's not true from then? That's kinda silly.

Just today I see posts in this forum saying they are excited about a character as long as they use Brubaker's version, which implicitly says other versions aren't canon. Other posts routinely reference Elseworlds as if to explain discrepancies in continuity.

Continuity is what we all make of it. It is in our control, no one else's. It is arbitrary and capricious, and it is dearly held and cherished. And everyone's view has the right to be respected and treated seriously.

It's in each individual's power to determine what is in continuity, assuming you care that much. No one else's view matters a whit, unless you let it.

[Immortal Weapon]

Just curious I guess what fans think canon actually means. That fictional characters and situations are true in some cases but not others? And someone arbitrarily gets to decide what's canon, and then change that when the franchise is sold and someone else gets to decide for all of us what's true "now" what's not true from then? That's kinda silly.

Just today I see posts in this forum saying they are excited about a character as long as they use Brubaker's version, which implicitly says other versions aren't canon. Other posts routinely reference Elseworlds as if to explain discrepancies in continuity.

Continuity is what we all make of it. It is in our control, no one else's. It is arbitrary and capricious, and it is dearly held and cherished. And everyone's view has the right to be respected and treated seriously.

It's in each individual's power to determine what is in continuity, assuming you care that much. No one else's view matters a whit, unless you let it.

That's not how continuity works at all. Willful arrogance won't make the narrative choices you don't like go away. When that poster said to use Brubaker's version it means he likes that interpretation the best. Not that everything before and after is invalid.

[AJBopp]

That's not how continuity works at all. Willful arrogance won't make the narrative choices you don't like go away. When that poster said to use Brubaker's version it means he likes that interpretation the best. Not that everything before and after is invalid.

And yet...and yet you find a way to convince yourselves the this different version is still the same version in the same continuity but the other versions suck even though they are the same but somehow different in every way except super name and...if we're lucky, the same costume.

Right.it's all perfectly valid and reasonable.

[Midvillian1322]

How involved is Stallon in the writing. Cause hes very pro Mexican. Back in 2007 he bashed the idea of a border wall and said we should support illegal immigrants working in american because they are the back bone of our contry. Unless hes shifted his views I know he likes trump because he pardoned Jack Johnson but Kardashian worked with him too and she clearly doesn't support his views.