Age means nothing when someone has no reading comprehension and means nothing when it comes to the present. You keep mentioning the spy thing as if it's the only thing that has presented Sue as powerful and resourceful.
Also, frankly this affair premise being the only thing people often propose for Sue is sexist. It's all about men and does nothing for the character expect make her a cheater. It's a bad idea and shows an utter lack of imagination and lack of understanding of the character you supposedly read for a long time.
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At the time, Sue wasn't married so it was less weird. Seeing Sue act that way NOW would be a bit more messed up. You can SORT OF get away with it with Namor, because franky I think Sue almost takes advantage of whatever it is between them when she can... but I think that's about it.
that doesn't seem a little convenient to you? duplicates of his greatest enemies. the only one spared a horrific fate is his breeding stock.
who's talking about arrest? the scene points to his character. nothing more honest than the inner landscape; even moreso with Doom because he's very protective of his image. i showed you where he thinks women belong.
there is no rabum alal. like every other cult leader, he duped people into believing in him and abused that faith. they look like a bunch of nuns to me. uh huh.
Sue's history is very convoluted. The earliest FF stories were in the early sixties when women were portrayed extremely differently. One can certainly cherry-pick instances in the first hundred issues when Sue showed gumption and delivered. But in those days, she was "the girl". Now we fit the entire FF history into the 21st century and from stolen spacecraft launch on, women are (or should be) treated as fully developed characters. Even though the Kirby issues are canon, a more active role for Sue should be retconned. Sliding timelines and all, you know.
Sue and Reed's marriage is considered one of comics' unbreakable concepts. So many comic marriages get broken up or dissolved or wiped out of existence that the one classic one of the first needs to be maintained. Of course some people will disagree, but I expect they're in the minority.
Sue and Reed had just got married and left Wakanda to go on their delayed honeymoon in Stan and Jack's Fantastic Four #55
As I explained earlier, the writer was writing his own alt universe version of the FF while Waid was on the main title. Again, in Marvel Knights 4, Sue had a job as a teacher. That has NEVER been true in the REAL Fantastic Four. And that is canon. Personally, any writer that tries to tinker with Stan and Jack's work had better really justify why they are doing it. IMO the MK story just makes BP look like a jerk to hit on someone who just got married and obviously in love with her husband
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Again, you make it sound like the correct way to fantasize one must only dwell on puppies and unicorns. The success of even a mediocre work like Fifty Shades of Gray disputes that. Doom even fantasized about killing Namor right there while they were talking but did he act on that? Neither did on act on the other. If anything Doom has empowered women like Titania, Volcana, Lady Victorious, Lancer, etc. In any case, this discussion is straying far from the OP's point.
And there were some old crones in the Library, along with the alien Swans as was pointed out earlier. Newsflash: Comic book artists frequently glam up the female characters. And Rabum Alal, the Great Destroyer, were both just disguises, assumed names. Whatever you want to call it.
And you seem to be forgetting that this was part of the plan that Owen Reece was telling Doom about in order to circumvent the grand plan of the Beyonders. Doom describes him as the Oracle. In any case, this discussion is straying far from the OP's point. If you want to continue revisiting the lead up to Secret Wars you can always start another thread.
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you gave me a list of disposable servants and sycophants. and i like how you didn't mention She-Thing. because you know what he did to her. anyways, this is a comic book medium. when we are shown someone's inner thoughts, it is to be interpreted as the truth. Doom was playing out in his head his eventual revenge for being lowered to the role of one of the Cabal. we were seeing what he thought of the others. it's like that Onslaught story that demonstrated that the Hulk was ok with all of the other heroes being murdered if it meant that he was the one who defeated Onslaught/proved himself to be the strongest.
let's not get into his mommy issues.
the Acolytes wore robes.
yeah. it was a con. i alluded to that when i said that he abused their faith. they went as far as he wanted them to.
it's tacky to say your piece than declare the conversation over. at any rate, i said what i wanted to say. people will make up their own minds.
I wonder if Reed can forgive Sue if she ever does have a affair. It seems a strong possibility that he would as the way he was speaking about her in innuendo in the Illuminati mini saying he knows exactly where she goes implies that he has made peace with her growing tired of his neglect periodically and blowing it out by hanging with Namor. Lol
She has been with many people (in alt timelimes).
Real Sue....
Reed
Namor
Tchalla
Spiderman (dated before Reed)
Scott Lang (pined for Sue and they went on dates I think)
Cap was considered a suitor in the Adventures and I read Marvel wanted this when Reed was dead in 90s but didn't pull trigger.
Alt Sues...
Blackbolt (married him)
Tony Stark (married him)
Doom (always seems to end up with him in future)
Wolverine (evil boyfriend)
Sabertooth (shacks up with him)
Pip and Deadpool (fantasy sequences)
Ben Grimm (a few realities, way to obvious)
Psychoman (scary)
Set (scarier and gross)
Namor (marries him)
TChalla (marries him)
Thanos (bad ending in videogame)
Pined for Sue...
Dragon Man
Rama-Tut (Kang)
Some Alien posing as Roman emperor
Random Badoon King
Attuma
Blastaar
Scott Lang/Mermiden/Grottu (more appropriate here I guess)
Adrian Tintreach (give it up please)
Terrax
Silver surfer (movie version)
Impossible Man (cartoon)
Norman Osbourne (just one pic of thr most obvious checking out of Sue. Cant be unseen)
So her multiverse self gets around
No, Sue never went on any dates when Reed and Doom went *boom* in FF#381. Everyone assumed Reed was dead except her.
The Spider-Man issue where Peter and Sue date (I think it was Untold Tales of Spidey) was done to troll Reed and set up a Namor fight.
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