Was Don't Ask Don't Tell a step toward leniency? I was an adult when that was implemented, and my perception was that while it sounded like progress on paper, it's implementation led to a crack down on gays in the military. I know a lesbian who was serving during that time who was investigated and discharged despite trying to stay closeted. She didn't tell but she was asked.
My knowledge about U.S. gays in the military comes from watching QUANTUM LEAP and JAG--but I think the way it was is, before "don't ask, don't tell," you could get drummed out if you confessed and the military was free to investigate and ask; "don't ask, don't tell" was supposed to protect gays in the military, but at the same time no one could admit to their sexuality. So while the policy was designed to protect gay people from harrassment, it actually put a chill on miltary people coming out.
When I was in the Canadian military, in the late '70s/early '80s, I don't think there was any law against being gay, but any gay person was in danger of being killed if that came out. Threats were constantly being made against people and guys were severely beat up if they were even suspected of being gay. It was a climate of fear.
At the time Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) was implemented, Congress was trying to codify the ban on gays serving in the armed forced into federal law - it was originally just a policy.
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Fight Club, Frozen, Top Gun, the Wizard of Oz, the Lord of the Rings, Thelma and Louise, Midnight Cowboy, Ben-Hur, Strangers on a Train, When Marnie Was There, Rope, Singer's X-men movies (the Last Stand was definitely NOT about being gay).
So glad to see someone else mention it, it screamed gay metaphor when I saw it.
For the time period, it was progress. Very flawed and slow, but it was progress.
Ding ding ding ding.
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How is Fight Club gay when, you know, Tylrer Durden?
And how is showing Freddy Mercury Gay and having AIDS whitewashing? Did they need explicit gay sex scenes to qualify. The movie was about the music.
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I was reading a review and someone mentioned how many homosexual tones are all over Interview With a Vampire has. After reading that review and watching the movie again, I could totally see it.
I have this nagging feeling that Seth was gay in Superbad, or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
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A lot of old Hollywood movies have...queer sensibilities? I don’t know, all that camp, glamour, opulence etc.
These are all gay classics without any explicit gay characters:
Auntie Mame (1958)
Boom! (1968)
Morocco (1930)
Queen Christina (1933)
All About Eve (1950)
Breakfast at Tiffany’s (1961)
Whatever Happened to Baby Jane (1962)
Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf (1966)
Valley of the Dolls (1967)
Funny Face (1957)
All that Heaven Allows (1955)
Mildred Pierce (1945)
Some Like It Hot (1959)
Of Human Bondage (1934)
Bringing Up Baby (1938)
Sunset Boulevard (1950)
I could go on and on...
The film is hugely homoerotic, his "hatred" of Angel for Tyler giving him attention (beating Angle was beating his gay feelings away), the fact he's constantly imagining this guy naked, having sex and putting his dick in movies...
When China and Russia are able to edit out all "gayness" from a film about one of the most iconic gay men in history... by cutting... less than 5 minutes, then it's fair to say there's a bit of a problem here.
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Fight Club, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. BR, as I said, they did not shy away from his being gay, they movie was about Queen an their music. Sorry if you wanted a movie about Freddy being Gay, but that is not what they focused on. But they didn't remove anything, as was claimed. It did not "rewrite his life story" Anymore than most biopics do. Truthfully you could edit out a few minutes of "Behind the Candelabra", but Liberaci would still be Gay.
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