HOUSE OF X [05] : Society *Spoilers*

[loke13]

I really want Danger to be in the spotlight again she was one the highlights of the Utopia era just a sarcastic *******. It's a shame she's been left in limbo for so long.

[PrezValentine]

Danger is chilling alone at a mansion in Madripoor, she's probably glad for not having to deal with the pesky X-Men.

[powerpax]

You have to wonder how can anyone question the realism of the X-Men premise given the thoughts of our fellow posters.

See also: Star Trek fans, a show built on showcasing minorities and women, suddenly angry it features too many minorities and women.

Ideally from Polygon.

Oof.

[Hulkout42]

Exactly. If he wanted to take over the world he wouldn't have cared about UN recognition or offering a deal to the humans.

So we are ignoring what Frost did then?

[powerpax]

So we are ignoring what Frost did then?

Did Emma get them to agree to mutants taking over their nations, or did she just get UN recognition?

[Hulkout42]

Did Emma get them to agree to mutants taking over their nations, or did she just get UN recognition?

All it takes is a small pebble to start a landslide, just saying.

[Thundershot]

Danger, Broo, Warlock, Cadre K, etc are considered Mutants but not by human genetic standards.

So... how far back will the resurrections go? Could we see Changeling? Thunderbird?

[powerpax]

So... how far back will the resurrections go? Could we see Changeling? Thunderbird?

Warpath waits at the Krakoan DMV with a resurrection deli ticket, idly practices that whole flying thing again

[Mutant X]

Exactly. If he wanted to take over the world he wouldn't have cared about UN recognition or offering a deal to the humans.

Comercial deals and UN recognition gives Krakoa a state status with diplomatic privileges and immunity.
It's Xavier demanding respect from the humans, not being friendly.

Moira's lives showed that humans v mutants is an inevitable conflict.
Apocalipse siding Xavier is a clear sign that Xavier is joining the fight.
Right now it's a cold war, but still a war.
The mutants are being resurrected not as a family-- despite what Ororo said--but as an army.

[powerpax]

Comercial deals and UN recognition gives Krakoa a state status with diplomatic privileges and immunity.
It's Xavier demanding respect from the humans, not being friendly.

Moira's lives showed that humans v mutants is an inevitable conflict.
Apocalipse joining Xavier is a clear sign that Xavier is joining the fight.
Right now it's a cold war, but still a war.
The mutants are being resurrected not as a family-- despite what Ororo said--but as an army.

All true. Except they can be both a family and an army.

The reason it's a cold war is because Xavier doesn't need to fight Apocalypse's way to win. He, Magneto and Moira know the same data as Orchis - that in 20 years mutants dominate Earth's population. On a fundamental level they already have won. What remains now is consolidation of power, and the securing of a growing nation and future.

[Rosebunse]

They have seemingly won. However, they only have data from a measely 9 timelines, all of which were manipulated by Moira.

[People Of The Earth]

Just like real life nobody should use Nukes, Nobody should use sentinels in MU. period. We have seen the results.

And to be clear intellectual exercise doesn't hold up every A.I has been corrupted in Marvel by either outside system or itself going bad ,Yet here you are suggesting it. Humans are in as much danger from Robots as they are from mutants.The stance Mutants are "threat" is way different, Stance from Bad mutants are a threat. We know the stance is bs because where is the Sentinel program for Thor what logical reason do people have to believe that "god beings" aren't going to kill them how many invasions from Asgard and other Gods are they? What is the human protection program against Thor and Hulk? Why isn't their indiscriminate program against superhumans. Why do Humans have the common sense to know not all superhumans are bad, but not all mutants are bad. Why is counter measures for Thor and Hulk not good enough for "bad mutants". Humans already have countermeasure for mutants. It is called Shield and the Avengers. And they handle stuff on a case by case way not group everybody together as threat in stupid racist manner. They are no sentinel programs for Alien invasions which have happened multiple times or God invasions which has happens multiple times. Heck there isn't Sentinel Program for Atlantis who repeatedly attack the surface. Mutants aren't even on top of the scale for attacks against humanity but mutants have demand specific answer while other threat don't.

You are saying nobody should have nukes IRL, yet here we are with nations having nukes to deter any agressive moves from other potentially belligerent countries. Nuclear deterrent is a real thing, whether we like it or not it works.
Peace is a volatile thing nowadays, and it is not achieved simply by the goodness of the heart of the people.
So Sentinel being used as a déterrent to keep mutants in check isn't such a preposterous idea tbh.

Also, how many times do I have to say the whole Sentinel AI go rogues like Skynet is blown out of proportion? You can remove the AI component from the Sentinels and make them drones. Done. Where is that issue now? Nowhere. They can even have pilots like the old O.N.E.'s units. Again, that A.I. thing is a non-issue.

Also also, you need to look at books outside the X-verse if you have to ask why humans don't have programs to deal with Thor, or Hulk, or alien invasion, or anything really. They DO. There are things litteraly called Hulkbusters to deal with the Hulk and all his cousins in 616, Wakanda had specific weapons to deal with atlanteans in their war against them, SWORD has resources to detect Skrulls masquerading as humans... You have organisations like SHIELD who deal with menaces to Earth, SWORD who deal with alien menaces, you even have one organisation who deal with mystical menaces but I can't remember its name right now… There is a flavor for every threat potential, and that includes the mutant threat.
You are saying SHIELD and the Avengers are the countermeasures to deal with mutants, that's patently false. The Avengers protect everyone on Earth, including those mutants cultists on Krakoa, from any potential threat to the world there is. Their job is not to protect sapiens from mutants, that can only happen whenever a rogue mutant like Magneto attack somewhere on a big stage and there again, the Avengers can't be everywhere on Earth to protect everyone in every country now, can they? So your case by case thing is actually why you'll never see them in X-stories, 9 times out of 10 they are dealing with some big existential threat to all life on Earth somewhere else. They don't operate on the scale the X-Men currently do.
As for SHIELD, like I said, they are in to belay any menace to Earth so I agree with you here, I can totally see them having in their arsenal technologies to suppress mutant powers, or contain them or deal with them if needs be and that would include Sentinels, absolutely. The same way they have resources to deal specifically with the Hulk-types of superhumans, or various kind of superhumans in general (n.b: and actually, they DO have Sentinels in their arsenal, IIRC they sent them when the whole Matthew Malloy debacle happened).
But scratch that even, the simple fact that any country in the world is entitled to protect itself from external menaces is justification enough really. The Kraked can go to the UN and try and have the Sentinels be banned the same way nukes were "banned" a long time ago, see how it goes for them this time trying to temper with the mind of foreign ambassadors again. Somehow, for all Hickman's brilliance, he conveniently forgot that psychic scramblers have been up and running in 616 for decades now... What Frost did to the russian delegate would have never happened with the wakandan delegate, and that's just one country among others to have this technology at its disposal.

[FIGHT]

Warpath waits at the Krakoan DMV with a resurrection deli ticket, idly practices that whole flying thing again

I don't understand. Does this take place in 616 or in a separate timeline. If it is the later who is to say who is dead or not. If it is the former didn't we see the 616 in a past life of Moria?

[loke13]

All true. Except they can be both a family and an army.

The reason it's a cold war is because Xavier doesn't need to fight Apocalypse's way to win. He, Magneto and Moira know the same data as Orchis - that in 20 years mutants dominate Earth's population. On a fundamental level they already have won. What remains now is consolidation of power, and the securing of a growing nation and future.

Completely agree. As the humans said in HoX #1 "Can you really call it a war if they've already one?" The mutants have successfully become powerplayers on the World Stage in the matter of a couple of months.

"Humans of the planet Earth, while you slept the world changed"-Charles Xavier

[loke13]

I don't understand. Does this take place in 616 or in a separate timeline. If it is the later who is to say who is dead or not. If it is the former didn't we see the 616 in a past life of Moria?

Life 4 wasn't our 616 as evidenced by Moira and Xavier being married and no Proteus being born. From everything we've seen of Life 10 it lines up with our 616.