Didn't Magneto presented the Kraked as the new gods of sapiens, who were tolerating them on THEIR world? He meant every word you know.
How exactly are the mutants different from the sapiens in that regard? Their ambassador to the UN is a known supremacist right now, they have welcomed mass murderers and killers in their midst without any kind of visible moral backlash... Of course there would be mutants supporting genocide of the sapiens, the same way there would be some of them against. What's amusing is how people are pretending mutants are of the purest of the heart when they are just people, Human's at that, just like the sapiens are. It's telling.
"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
The theoretical Marvel vs. X-Men event years from now could end with the extinction of all other beings in the universe that are not mutants, at the hands of the X-Men, because something or other has triggered it so that the only way for mutantkind to exist is if all other non-mutant organisms are destroyed.
Then we get another fourth-wall/cosmic reboot that unsnaps everything and everyone back...back to a setting with a more tolerable balance of human-mutant rapport and tension now that the X-Men have been demonstrated as formidable to the MCU-only audience, who will now be excited to see how they play out cinematically (for the third time) in Disney's sandbox.
Genkai nante nai (No limits), Zettai nante nai (No absolutes)
Thank GOD for X'97. Cautious about "From the Ashes". Please no more Blue vs. Orange.
This is exactly my worry at this time. In fact let paint you a picture that has been rattling in my head for a while:
Let's start of with a volunteer from teh audience hmm? Selene, because i kept seeing this person saying over and over she can be reasoned with and can reach an agreement that won't have her going on killing sprees to keep her youth and power topped off.
Now let's say that they reach an agreement, first question how long do you think she would abide by an agreement that is really hindering her freedom to do whatever she wants? Because let's not forget that she is an immortal mutant who has for years done what ever she pleases and damn the consequences or who it hurts/maims/traumatizes/kills.
Then while she is under that agreement and is given an alternate means to feed her power that does not harm any innocents (human, meta or mutant) she goes along with it for a while until one day she thinks " i tire of this" and uses her vast wealth of knowledge of the arcane to slip past whatever means the X-men have cooked up to keep an eye on the villains (because i sincerely doubt they would be stupid enough to trust this psychos) and preys on some innocent person (again could be human, could be meta or could be mutant but they are INNOCENT).
After she does this once, get a thrill from being naughty and does it multiple times until of course she is caught. Now to further add to this scenario it is the local authorities or heroes who catch her (Maybe Cap, Maybe Spidey or the F4) and they go to trial for her crimes but and this is using an already established example. A member of Krakoa (X-men or not) comes along and says sorry she is a citizen of our nation and will be dealt with by us and since i didn't see Sabertooth in a cell i can only assume he was not punished for killing people she wouldn't either. Or in another version of the scenario she gets caught and pulls a card a la Lethal Weapon 2 and says "Diplomatic Immunity bitches!" and does not get punished for her crimes.
So the end result for this scenario is the victims are denied justice, Orchis gets validated in their fears, the mutants are painted as human haters, here comes the Sentinels, Armaggedon times 1000.
I hope we don't see that happen, that there is some form or way they can keep this psychos in line and not hurt ANYONE.
Now I can't stress this enough, but this scenario is focused only on the villains.
The ones we know for a fact are 100%, GRADE A, balls to the walls EVIL (Again i can't help but ask this, why in the name of god are the Morlocks lumped with that group!?)
And because i know a lot of people here like to keep saying it over and over about humanity is evil but let's not forget:
Sinister (who isn't really a mutant btw, but was a 18th century old mad scientist who got his genes messed up by Apocalypse) founded and unleashed the Marauders to go on a killing spree on the poor Morlocks for being the result of the experiments done by Dark Beast (also a mutant who tortured and experimented on countless innoncent during AoA)
Stryfe (Clone of Cable, a mutant) created the Legacy Virus which was unknowingly unleashed by Sinister which killed who knows how many mutants including Magik.
Mystique, who has killed who knows how many people (one of them being Moira) and you can't say all of them were mutant haters because there must have been innocents along the way (i mean she went out of her way to torture and kill a man that Danvers loved just to hurt her).
Gorgon, part of HYDRA, enough said.
Cassandra Nova (Not a mutant, not human but still Xavier's sister), 16 million dead because she stands against all he does and wanted to make him the X-men suffer.
I don't know what Hickman plans to do with them but i can tell it will be big and it will be bloody and it will shake the current status quo in ways we won't understand until the dust settles.
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I just noticed that Warren was blue Archangel form in Hox 3 and He was normal Angel in Hox 5. Just as note I think it is finally official to say he has recovered from Remender "killing him" in X-force.
Oh well, you got me there! You're absolutely right. Yup. Totally spot on. Yup yup yup.
She's been an ally of the X-Men for years now, I could have chosen another sapien to make the same point: good or bad, none of them are allowed on the main island.
That's false.
That too is patently false.
Try and read other Marvel books, broads one's perspective and knowledge.
"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
I do think that's the issue, is it not?
Question: is granting a pardon to a known killer, cannibal, and rapist (Sabretooth) just because he is a Mutant really that great of an idea? Shouldn't they just, I don't know, judge him for his past crimes? Then again, maybe they will, maybe they won't. We shall have to wait and see.
I know no one agrees with me, but I loved AXIS. It is a genuinely good event and I had a ton of fun with it.
Actually, I don't think Disney would use it exactly, but if they adapted a lighter version of it, you could get some interesting movies out of it.
He probably might not even be able to turn into Archangel depending on how the genetics work.
None of those villains would have come to the island if they thought that they would just be thrown in prison when they did.
That Twitter thread is arguing that people don't want mutants to have their own unique culture and that the X-Men only ever stopped the antics of the likes of Sabretooth etc because they were just wanting to be Uncle Toms. Silly nonsense.
I think that’s been the case with him (completely unexplained mind you) since Astonishing X-Men and the Iceman solo considering he not only acted like himself rather than NuAngel but remembered his Champions days, something NuAngel wouldn’t since he had none of Warren’s memories.