I dont think he is. The closest real evidence is some stuff with Daken, and Daken's powers make that questionable.
If the FF series needs some LGBT rep, I still say do something with Franklin. Clean slate in terms of his history and age, and while teens coming out is a bit tropey, it's usually an interesting story from a dramatic sense
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Ever since the early issues there have been light undertones that you might just read over, but they're there.
Franklin is an idea that's been offered before and I don't have any real argument against it. So far he's been seen as hetero-normative (I don't know if the term is a good one). He's had contact with Wendy as well as a girl on Yancy Street where attraction could play a role. Additionally, his feelings about Kitty may also be part of this (but I haven't read FF/Men 3 still locked up in my closed LCS). Hickman also made references to a future girlfriend/crush.
Johnny and Franklin seem to be the only real possibilities of LGBTQ representation of core FF characters. We know Johnny's got a strong straight streak so bisexuality seems to be more reasonable than gay with his character's history. As for Franklin, would any sexual preference be an issue given that he's already an incredibly powerful mutant and creator of universes?
Insisting on one or the other seems like tokenism. Both could work. This is certainly a fun and interesting conversation.
Wait wait wait......Johnny Storm. The Human Torch is Bisexual?????
Wh- sense WHEN??!!
Yes, Johnny can be bi and have the same dynamic with Peter. I have already stated this.
My point is the ends don't justify the means. The reason someone thinks Johnny is bi is just as important as the issue of representation.
Let's imagine there is a male superhero that fans think could be transgender. We will call him Superhero X. Now let's imagine the reason fans think Superhero X is transgender is because they looked over his 50-year comic history and noticed he gets into a lot of car accidents. Society dictates that women are bad drivers, so it "makes sense" to fans that Superhero X is a woman born in a man's body.
Now imagine Marvel responds and canonizes Superhero X as transgender. Was this a progressive or regressive move? There would be a genuine debate to be had in such situation. There would be more representation now that Superhero X is transgender, but the reason for it originated from the sexist belief that women suck at driving. It would be representation built on a sexist foundation.
The Johnny debate is the same way. If his bromance with Peter is one of the reasons fans think he is Bi (which a lot of fans in this thread do), I think there is a debate to be had about it.
That being said, there are other good reasons to think Johnny is Bi. Not every example listed here is sexist, just the ones regarding Peter are.
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I think there are instances that could be interpreted as Johnny having attraction to the same gender, but some disagree and that's fair.
I believe that there is definitely potential for interesting storytelling.
Johnny's rigid views of how a family should be makes him rush into relationships because he wants what Sue and Reed have, so I can see him repressing an aspect of himself to have the "ideal" family unit.
The trials of dating as some aren't comfortable dating bisexual men due to their own insecurities and preconceptions.
The FF are celebrities too so there are tons of things from that side that can be explored. Like new avenues opening and some closing from him coming out.
Plus it's would be good representation for both the Fantastic Four and Marvel as a whole (which isn't in of itself a bad thing like some people make it out to be)
I can think of a few more.
On the Franklin, Sue thing. I'd have no problem if Franklin was revealed not to be straight, my only issue is that Franklin could easily regress back to a kid whenever a writer wants and it would be practically lost.
I believe Sue to be straight and even then she's married to Reed so nothing would really come of it. That's not to say bisexual people can't be in committed relationships/marriage, just that I don't see it being explored with Sue the way it should be if it were Johnny or Franklin.
Not the same as people can be attracted to their friends and depicting that is not offensive in the hypothetical scenario that Marvel would ever do that. Which I think they won't and shouldn't.
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Let's see. On the gay side... a guy with pheromone powers.
On the hetero side... Dorrie Evans, Crystal, Frankie Raye, Alicia Masters/Lyja, Medusa, Kourtney Keaton, etc. And now he even found his soulmate, Sky!
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