So.... Johnny Storm is definitely bi right?

[DragonsChi]

Umm... a lot of those aren't from Marvel and I don't see what's the big deal with more lgbt characters existing.

I don't see the big deal either. Not sure why we have to change characters to do it though.

[starduck]

I don't see the big deal either. Not sure why we have to change characters to do it though.

Oops sorry I misresd your post. As for your question I think it's done cause new characters tend to fade into limbo pretty quickly, especially lgbt chars since it's kind of hard for them to appear in media outside of comics

[scourge]

There's still representation present though and Power Pack is pretty much young FF.

Not only that the reasoning that out of four characters none of being LGBT is a problem is somewhat faulty logic.

Can you provide a single reason as to why Johnny should be gay, that does not involve representation, because their is some already, or any other reason that does not represent how the character has been proytraed? Give reasons that will help the character grow or be more popular in Superhero Comics. Without "Representation" being the Crux to the point.

1. No one said he should be gay. The whole point of the thread is that he's bi.
2. There's not a goddamn limit or quota on something like this.
3. Can you provide a single reason as to why Johnny should be straight that does not involve "He's dated women" or something similar?
4. "because their is some already" ...we've covered there's not in the Fantastic 4.

I don't see the big deal either. Not sure why we have to change characters to do it though.

And yet if someone creates a new character...them existing at all will be whined about by some of the very same people complaining about the idea of Johnny being bi.

[Crimz]

There's still representation present though and Power Pack is pretty much young FF.

Not only that the reasoning that out of four characters none of being LGBT is a problem is somewhat faulty logic.

Can you provide a single reason as to why Johnny should be gay, that does not involve representation, because their is some already, or any other reason that does not represent how the character has been proytraed? Give reasons that will help the character grow or be more popular in Superhero Comics. Without "Representation" being the Crux to the point.

The Power Pack aren't the Fantastic Four. You can't just say "close enough" and be done with it.

Never said it was a problem.

I have read several instances which can be read as Johnny being bi and think that it could be cool if it happened. Simple. Representation isn't bad thing and wanting more is not bad, I don't have to give a reason why with such constraints just because you don't like representation being a reason. Especially as you have yet to back up your point which is:

There are so many already now, to the point that almost every other new character is on the LBGT specturm.

The burden of proving their point is on yourself, not me.

[DragonsChi]

Oops sorry I misresd your post. As for your question I think it's done cause new characters tend to fade into limbo pretty quickly, especially lgbt chars since it's kind of hard for them to appear in media outside of comics

Well thats currently incorrect. Since there is a marvel tv/cartoon show filled with new charcters with failed solo and group titles currently on tv today. Not only that but that same group of failed solo title new heroes has two LGBT characters in it...so...yeah.

[DragonsChi]

The Power Pack aren't the Fantastic Four. You can't just say "close enough" and be done with it.

Never said it was a problem.

I have read several instances which can be read as Johnny being bi and think that it could be cool if it happened. Simple. Representation isn't bad thing and wanting more is not bad, I don't have to give a reason why with such constraints just because you don't like representation being a reason. Especially as you have yet to back up your point which is:



The burden of proving their point is on yourself, not me.

Its Your thread and your push to change cannon. So yeah it is up to you.

The idea that out of every group of 4 one of them would/should be gay is false. It be hard to keep a population going of it wore just based of the repoduction aspect.

[Captain M]

What type of men do you guys think Johnny is into

[Crimz]

Its Your thread and your push to change cannon. So yeah it is up to you.

The idea that out of every group of 4 one of them would/should be gay is false. It be hard to keep a population going of it wore just based of the repoduction aspect.

Already posted my point several times with the panels. While you have given nothing more than saying you don't like it. You've made several statements on how the LGBT community are "the most represented minority group". You've yet to prove that.

I never said that, so I don't know where you're getting your second point from.

[scourge]

Well thats currently incorrect. Since there is a marvel tv/cartoon show filled with new charcters with failed solo and group titles currently on tv today. Not only that but that same group of failed solo title new heroes has two LGBT characters in it...so...yeah.

Yeah, that's wrong.
On multiple fronts.

[Nyssane]

I initially thought no, but damn... Those scans convinced me. Get it, Blizzard!

[starduck]

Well thats currently incorrect. Since there is a marvel tv/cartoon show filled with new charcters with failed solo and group titles currently on tv today. Not only that but that same group of failed solo title new heroes has two LGBT characters in it...so...yeah.

Oh really, I didn't know. That's cool. I haven't watched a Marvel cartoon since watxm and avengers emh.

What type of men do you guys think Johnny is into

Nerdy twunks

[DragonsChi]

List of Gay Marvel Characters as promised

AMERICAN ACE [Perry Wade], from All Winner's Squad: Band of Heroes (2011)
ANGELA aka Aldrif Odinsdottir
ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]
BENJAMIN DEEDS
BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]
BLOKE [Mikey Tork] (Peter Milligan’s X-force)
BLOODSTONE [Cullen Bloodstone]
CANNIBAL, foe of Black Panther
CAPTAIN FLAME [Frank Cortez], from All Winner's Squad
CLUSTER, the female Fantomex
DAKEN [Daken Akihiro]
DANGER
"DEADPOOL" [Wade Wilson]
DESTINY
ELECTRO [Maxwell 'Max' Dillion]
ENDO [Meifeng], Weapon X Program
FANTOMEX [Jean-Phillipe/Charlie-Cluster 7]
FIRELORD [Pyreus Kril], Herald of Galactus
FLATMAN [Dr. Val Ventura], Great Lake Avengers
FREEDOM RING [Curtis Doyle]
"GAMBIT" [Remy leBeau]
GIANT MAN [Raz Malhotra]
GRAYMALKIN [Jonas Graymalkin]
HERCULES, Prince of Power
HIROIM THE OLDSTRONG, Warbound
HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]
ICEMAN [Robert "Bobby" Drake]
JACKPOT II [Alana Jobson]
JENNIFER KALE
JOYSTICK [Janice Olivia Yanizeski]
KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]
KAROLINE DEAN
KORG, Warbound
LIGHTSPEED [Julie Powers]
LIVING LIGHTNING [Miguel Santos]
LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief
MACHINESMITH [Samuel ‘Starr’ Saxon]
MERCURY [Cessily Kincaid]
MULTIPLE MAN [James Arthur 'Jamie' Madrox], Madrox’s gay dupe
MANKILLER [Katrina Luisa vanHorn]
THE 'MIGHTY' DESTROYER [Roger Aubrey] ~ Golden Age ~
MIRACLEMAN [Michael Moran]
MISS AMERICA CHAVEZ
MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]
MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]
NOH-VAR
NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]
PHAT [William Robert ‘Billy-Bob’ Reilly]
PHYLA-VELL
POD [Aikku Jokinen]
PRODIGY [David Alleyne]
"PSYLOCKE" [Elisabeth 'Betsy' Braddock]
RAWHIDE KID [Johnny Clay]
RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]
SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]
SKEIN [Sybil Dvorak]
SPYMASTER [Sinclair Abbot]
STACY-X [Miranda Leevald]
"STORM" [Queen Ororo Monroe]
STRIKER [Brandon Sharpe]
SWORDSMAN II [Andreas vonStrucker]
TIRESIAS, genderqueer blind Greek profit
THUNDRA
TWO-GUN KID [Mark Hawk]
UNION JACK [Brian Falsworth] ~ Golden Age ~ [MARVEL'S FIRST OPENLY GAY COMPUTER GAME CHARACTER]
"VALKYRIE" [Brunnhilde]
VENOMM [Horatio Walters]
VIVISECTOR [Myles Alfred]
WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan]
"WOLVERINE" [James 'Logan' Howlett]
???Xavin???
Agent Kim, Hydra agent and former lover to Daken
Dr. Annabelle Rigg, Fearless Defenders
the Ameri-moms, the two mothers of Miss America Charez
Amy Chen, Silver Sable's Wild Pack
Arnie Roth, childhood friend of Captain America
Arnold Astrovik, abusive father of superhero Justice
Chili Storm, from Millie the Model
Christian Frost, Emma Frost's brother
Courier, a man in a female's body (SEE BELOW)
Finch & Marcus, black married gay couple, friends of Kate Bishop in L.A.
Frenchie, Moonknight's friend and helicopter pilot
Gabriel Shepherd, 500 year old mutant from Brian Wood’s X-men, friend of Pixie
Glorianna, Inhuman with Godlike powers, birthname Rhonda, girlfriend to Jasmine
Goleta, the Wizard Slayer; from Wierdworld
Hector, one of the Pantheon Gods
Ian Soo, telekinetic Inhuman, bisexual, friend of Hellcat
Ja Kyee "Jackie" Lrurt - self-proclaimed warlord and goddess alien, form Captain Marvel
Jane Smythe - WHO????
Jasmine, works for Miguel O'Hara
Jazinda, daughter of the super-skrull K'lrt
Jovana a.k.a. SWAIN, an Inhuman
Koi Boi, trans superhero ally of Squirrel Girl
Kyle Jinadu, Northstar's husband
Leah of Hel, ally to Loki
Lieutenant Flint, ally of Moonkight
Lola & Rafferty, interracial couple and coworkers with Silk at Fact Channel
Marlo Chandler (Jones), wife to Rick Jones
Max Modell, from Superior Spiderman (his partner is named Hector; they married in Amazing Spiderman vol. 4 #1 - 2015)
Mindmeld, X-force villain and bodyguard to Shinobi Shaw; he is visually male, though referred to as female
Natasha "Nash" Salvato, karate teacher and girlfriend of Victoria Montesi
Ren Kimura, Inhuman (dated Annabelle Rigg in Fearless Defenders)
Sera
Sharon King, depowered mutant and landlord of 68 Jay Street, tenants include She-Hulk, Howard the Duck and Spiderwoman; married to Ellen King
Shiklah, Queen of Monster Metropolis, Deadpoo's pansexual wife
Shinobi Shaw, son of the Hellfire Club's Sebastian Shaw
Switch - WHO???
Timothy Cababa, Iron Man
Tom Hale, gay bookshop owner and childhood friend of Hellcat
Tong, transgender, participated in Moloids collective crush on She-Hulk
Taku, Minister of Communications for Wakanda, ally to T'Challa and secret lover of Venomm
Tracy Burke, Carol Danver's good friend assistant editor
Twitchy - WHO????
Ms. Victoria Hand
Victoria Montesi, Darkhold Redeemer, worked with Midnight Sons
Wally Layton & Donald Meland, married couple (a cop and a doctor) from Scarlet Spider
Zoe, highschool friend of Ms. Marvel

[Crimz]

List of Gay Marvel Characters as promised

AMERICAN ACE [Perry Wade], from All Winner's Squad: Band of Heroes (2011)
ANGELA aka Aldrif Odinsdottir
ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]
BENJAMIN DEEDS
BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]
BLOKE [Mikey Tork] (Peter Milligan’s X-force)
BLOODSTONE [Cullen Bloodstone]
CANNIBAL, foe of Black Panther
CAPTAIN FLAME [Frank Cortez], from All Winner's Squad
CLUSTER, the female Fantomex
DAKEN [Daken Akihiro]
DANGER
"DEADPOOL" [Wade Wilson]
DESTINY
ELECTRO [Maxwell 'Max' Dillion]
ENDO [Meifeng], Weapon X Program
FANTOMEX [Jean-Phillipe/Charlie-Cluster 7]
FIRELORD [Pyreus Kril], Herald of Galactus
FLATMAN [Dr. Val Ventura], Great Lake Avengers
FREEDOM RING [Curtis Doyle]
"GAMBIT" [Remy leBeau]
GIANT MAN [Raz Malhotra]
GRAYMALKIN [Jonas Graymalkin]
HERCULES, Prince of Power
HIROIM THE OLDSTRONG, Warbound
HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]
ICEMAN [Robert "Bobby" Drake]
JACKPOT II [Alana Jobson]
JENNIFER KALE
JOYSTICK [Janice Olivia Yanizeski]
KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]
KAROLINE DEAN
KORG, Warbound
LIGHTSPEED [Julie Powers]
LIVING LIGHTNING [Miguel Santos]
LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief
MACHINESMITH [Samuel ‘Starr’ Saxon]
MERCURY [Cessily Kincaid]
MULTIPLE MAN [James Arthur 'Jamie' Madrox], Madrox’s gay dupe
MANKILLER [Katrina Luisa vanHorn]
THE 'MIGHTY' DESTROYER [Roger Aubrey] ~ Golden Age ~
MIRACLEMAN [Michael Moran]
MISS AMERICA CHAVEZ
MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]
MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]
NOH-VAR
NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]
PHAT [William Robert ‘Billy-Bob’ Reilly]
PHYLA-VELL
POD [Aikku Jokinen]
PRODIGY [David Alleyne]
"PSYLOCKE" [Elisabeth 'Betsy' Braddock]
RAWHIDE KID [Johnny Clay]
RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]
SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]
SKEIN [Sybil Dvorak]
SPYMASTER [Sinclair Abbot]
STACY-X [Miranda Leevald]
"STORM" [Queen Ororo Monroe]
STRIKER [Brandon Sharpe]
SWORDSMAN II [Andreas vonStrucker]
TIRESIAS, genderqueer blind Greek profit
THUNDRA
TWO-GUN KID [Mark Hawk]
UNION JACK [Brian Falsworth] ~ Golden Age ~ [MARVEL'S FIRST OPENLY GAY COMPUTER GAME CHARACTER]
"VALKYRIE" [Brunnhilde]
VENOMM [Horatio Walters]
VIVISECTOR [Myles Alfred]
WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan]
"WOLVERINE" [James 'Logan' Howlett]
???Xavin???
Agent Kim, Hydra agent and former lover to Daken
Dr. Annabelle Rigg, Fearless Defenders
the Ameri-moms, the two mothers of Miss America Charez
Amy Chen, Silver Sable's Wild Pack
Arnie Roth, childhood friend of Captain America
Arnold Astrovik, abusive father of superhero Justice
Chili Storm, from Millie the Model
Christian Frost, Emma Frost's brother
Courier, a man in a female's body (SEE BELOW)
Finch & Marcus, black married gay couple, friends of Kate Bishop in L.A.
Frenchie, Moonknight's friend and helicopter pilot
Gabriel Shepherd, 500 year old mutant from Brian Wood’s X-men, friend of Pixie
Glorianna, Inhuman with Godlike powers, birthname Rhonda, girlfriend to Jasmine
Goleta, the Wizard Slayer; from Wierdworld
Hector, one of the Pantheon Gods
Ian Soo, telekinetic Inhuman, bisexual, friend of Hellcat
Ja Kyee "Jackie" Lrurt - self-proclaimed warlord and goddess alien, form Captain Marvel
Jane Smythe - WHO????
Jasmine, works for Miguel O'Hara
Jazinda, daughter of the super-skrull K'lrt
Jovana a.k.a. SWAIN, an Inhuman
Koi Boi, trans superhero ally of Squirrel Girl
Kyle Jinadu, Northstar's husband
Leah of Hel, ally to Loki
Lieutenant Flint, ally of Moonkight
Lola & Rafferty, interracial couple and coworkers with Silk at Fact Channel
Marlo Chandler (Jones), wife to Rick Jones
Max Modell, from Superior Spiderman (his partner is named Hector; they married in Amazing Spiderman vol. 4 #1 - 2015)
Mindmeld, X-force villain and bodyguard to Shinobi Shaw; he is visually male, though referred to as female
Natasha "Nash" Salvato, karate teacher and girlfriend of Victoria Montesi
Ren Kimura, Inhuman (dated Annabelle Rigg in Fearless Defenders)
Sera
Sharon King, depowered mutant and landlord of 68 Jay Street, tenants include She-Hulk, Howard the Duck and Spiderwoman; married to Ellen King
Shiklah, Queen of Monster Metropolis, Deadpoo's pansexual wife
Shinobi Shaw, son of the Hellfire Club's Sebastian Shaw
Switch - WHO???
Timothy Cababa, Iron Man
Tom Hale, gay bookshop owner and childhood friend of Hellcat
Tong, transgender, participated in Moloids collective crush on She-Hulk
Taku, Minister of Communications for Wakanda, ally to T'Challa and secret lover of Venomm
Tracy Burke, Carol Danver's good friend assistant editor
Twitchy - WHO????
Ms. Victoria Hand
Victoria Montesi, Darkhold Redeemer, worked with Midnight Sons
Wally Layton & Donald Meland, married couple (a cop and a doctor) from Scarlet Spider
Zoe, highschool friend of Ms. Marvel

Wow that list is gonna be torn to shreds by some posters. There are many unconfirmed, dead, and in limbo characters. And that's only looking at the hero side of things...

[DragonsChi]

Wow that list is gonna be torn to shreds by some posters. There are many unconfirmed, dead, and in limbo characters. And that's only looking at the hero side of things...

Ok...so no reasoning for Johnny then. Just based on other characters...good talk.

[Crimz]

Ok...so no reasoning for Johnny then. Just based on other characters...good talk.

I already see that no reason would be deemed "worthy" by you and I have nothing to prove to you. If a poster sincere in wanting to know the reason why asks, I'll answer. But you've made your views very transparent.

Especially when you claim I posted context-less panels when the very first image I gave context to and most of the rest speak for themselves.