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    Default So.... What is the purpose to bring Jor-El back?

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    Currently Superman issue, Jor-El has been arrested and Punished him by exiled him to past when krypton was exloding, He is dead.....Again
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    And that makes me wondering why them bring Jor-El back? I mean through what I've saw so far, I can't see he has any attractive trait as a Superman villain or as his family, And now What Bendis did in the Superman issue making me wondering what is the purpose of Jor-El resurrection
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    to make him indirectly responsible for the destruction of Krypton undermines not only Kryptons destruction but kinda poisons Superman’s role in the whole universe. He’s the son of the person who indirectly destroyed his planet. It’s a really really bad retcon. Instead of being the person who couldn’t save Krypton from itself, Jor El is the person who damned it.
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    While lot of story coming out of it. I mean, Bendis didn't create the situation where Jor-El comes back, but he was more than happy to use it. He used Jor-El to facilitate quite a lot of story that we have, and story that we'll get, but he ultimately didn't want him as an active part of the present forever.

    I'm slightly bummed because I was starting to really like this version of Jor-El, but I get it.

    Gosh....now I hope Sam's death is a fake out on his part. I need at least one jerk of a grandparent, got damn it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    While lot of story coming out of it. I mean, Bendis didn't create the situation where Jor-El comes back, but he was more than happy to use it. He used Jor-El to facilitate quite a lot of story that we have, and story that we'll get, but he ultimately didn't want him as an active part of the present forever.

    I'm slightly bummed because I was starting to really like this version of Jor-El, but I get it.

    Gosh....now I hope Sam's death is a fake out on his part. I need at least one jerk of a grandparent, got damn it!
    Sam wasn't a jerk in this timeline though. He seemed pretty chill. I like this sam. Spy thing is better than general thing.infact, i felt lois was the one being distant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manwhohaseverything View Post
    Sam wasn't a jerk in this timeline though. He seemed pretty chill. I like this sam. Spy thing is better than general thing.infact, i felt lois was the one being distant.
    Nah. He's still a jerk.

    As stated in Bendis' run, apparently the lion's share of Sam's xenophobia, lies to Lois, and general hard to deal with nature still apply here. Lois says as much in the issue they meet before he's hospitalized. It's just not turned up to 11 like it always is, but he's still very much a thickheaded xenophobic jerk who made life emotionally taxing for Lois.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
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    to make him indirectly responsible for the destruction of Krypton undermines not only Kryptons destruction but kinda poisons Superman’s role in the whole universe. He’s the son of the person who indirectly destroyed his planet. It’s a really really bad retcon. Instead of being the person who couldn’t save Krypton from itself, Jor El is the person who damned it.
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    Agreed, A bad retcon, DC might want create a "family issue" story, But it really just don't fit for Jor-El to be the villiain role. I mean most(If not every)version of Jor-El all been portrayed as a good guy, Even in Byrne's emotionless krypton version
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    Nah. He's still a jerk.

    As stated in Bendis' run, apparently the lion's share of Sam's xenophobia, lies to Lois, and general hard to deal with nature still apply here. Lois says as much in the issue they meet before he's hospitalized. It's just not turned up to 11 like it always is, but he's still very much a thickheaded xenophobic jerk who made life emotionally taxing for Lois.
    But, military and us government did abandon him and basically send him to death. Even, when he came back he went right to work for the sake same country. I mean, that takes some integrity. He has reasons to be cautious of superman. And being a spy ofcourse he is going to have to lie "Everybody lies" . Lois is as thickheaded as sam is. Maybe even more so. If someone in your family is on the otherside of the spectrum, very much set in his views. It's best to not bring it to the dinner table. Lois and sam both do that. That's why it never works out for them.



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    No one is saying that Sam's point of view is alien, but having a POV that's reasonable on paper and being a d!ck are not mutually exclusive.

    That's why I'm interested in him now. The xenophobia, pigheadedness, and the number he did on Lois emotionally and mentally don't stop him from being character I can follow, and that in in turn doesn't stop him from largely being a d!ck. I'm ok with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manwhohaseverything View Post


    Is this the current state of Superman?

    How embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Luxemburg View Post
    Is this the current state of Superman?
    Previous creative team about 2 years ago. Not really an accurate summation of where this relationship is at now, or the context Sam is put into these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Luxemburg View Post
    Is this the current state of Superman?

    How embarrassing.
    Why is this embarrassing?

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    To answer the question, the purpose of bringing back Jor-El just to kill him later is a simple one - it's a gimmick. A cliched gimmick.

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    Dude this is horrible. You bring Jor El back, turn him into a villain, then send him back to Krypton when it explodes. Lame lame lame. I haven't felt this flat about a story since I saw Rian Johnson Last Jedi. Please tell me Bendis is gonna leave Superman soon, I'm begging ya. Superman needs a serious reboot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    Previous creative team about 2 years ago. Not really an accurate summation of where this relationship is at now, or the context Sam is put into these days.
    Could you do me a favor and tell me what comics those pages are from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Luxemburg View Post
    Could you do me a favor and tell me what comics those pages are from?
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