Does Batman frustrate you?

[CTTT]

Is it frustrating as a Superman fan that Batman gets propped up at the expense of everyone else? I feel like Clark is made to look like a big lumbering oaf and he's much smarter than that. But if Bruce is in the room, like Siatra, he commands the entire room.

[Desmark]

Same old same old.

[Jon Clark]

Sure.

I'd rather Batman was removed from Superman's orbit for awhile, so Superman could get some honest respect, but odds are if that was done some other character (Lois, Jon, Calvin Ellis, Diana …) would eb brought in to give Superman someone to look inferior to. It's his new role in the DC Universe- the character drug down to make another character look big.

[SiegePerilous02]

Yes, though it's more frustration at what DC has turned Batman into over the years and the impact on Superman and their friendship is but one of many issues.

It's why I prefer depictions like BTAS, Silver/Bronze age or even Adam West. THAT character I have been a lifelong fan of and will be forever. And that guy wasn't at odds with Superman, they weren't pitted against each other to prop one up over the other (usually Clark gets the shit end of the stick here), they were just straight up best buds. I have no use for the uneasy allies BS, or Bruce being less at ease with them being friends. I want the World's Finest with no pretenses of anything else, and I want it to be an asset to Clark instead of a drawback.

[KangMiRae]

No, he doesn't frustrate me. What frustrates me is DC's recent inability to portray both Superman and Batman as established self-starters who are good friends. There should should great overlap in their orbits with one another, but they should never collide—and by collide I mean use each other to prop themselves up, kinda like you just described.

That's not Batman's fault, that's DC and the recent writers' inability to be be good writers.

Poor Batman's been regressed into being a socially inept moron who grunts like a caveman in a cape rather than being Batman, a hero who uses his life and social skills as Bruce Wayne to further his crusade against crime.

If they can't write these men together, then maybe they should not put them together for a while until they remember how to do it.

[manwhohaseverything]

Problem isn't batman. It has never been. It is how Superman is written with batman. So my answers is no. Superman frustrates me, actually.

[phonogram12]

No, he doesn't frustrate me. What frustrates me is DC's recent inability to portray both Superman and Batman as established self-starters who are good friends. There should should great overlap in their orbits with one another, but they should never collide—and by collide I mean use each other to prop themselves up, kinda like you just described.

That's not Batman's fault, that's DC and the recent writers' inability to be be good writers.

Poor Batman's been regressed into being a socially inept moron who grunts like a caveman in a cape rather than being Batman, a hero who uses his life and social skills as Bruce Wayne to further his crusade against crime.

If they can't write these men together, then maybe they should not put them together for a while until they remember how to do it.

^^^^^This.

[Sacred Knight]

No, he doesn't frustrate me. What frustrates me is DC's recent inability to portray both Superman and Batman as established self-starters who are good friends. There should should great overlap in their orbits with one another, but they should never collide—and by collide I mean use each other to prop themselves up, kinda like you just described.

That's not Batman's fault, that's DC and the recent writers' inability to be be good writers.

Poor Batman's been regressed into being a socially inept moron who grunts like a caveman in a cape rather than being Batman, a hero who uses his life and social skills as Bruce Wayne to further his crusade against crime.

If they can't write these men together, then maybe they should not put them together for a while until they remember how to do it.

They found this sweet spot again in the New 52. Unabashed bros, even the term Superfriends was used without shame (well okay it made Batman a bit embarrassed). But they were just plain friends. Their methods weren't always the same but they accepted their differences and were open with quite little distrust. And their encounters were a delight because of it. Sadly with the return of the old history also came the return of that dumbass "frenemy" take. First there was the boring tension there before Superman Reborn when this Superman was actually playing stranger on a strange world. But even after that was resolved the old post-Crisis take took hold again. They're friends, but there's that level of distance again, its only worth to portray the stupid cliches that Batman is dark and untrusting and Superman is too light and naive. Serves neither character well, but tends to hurt Superman worse as the "too naive" take always seems to play more the detriment.

[JAK]

Yes, though it's more frustration at what DC has turned Batman into over the years and the impact on Superman and their friendship is but one of many issues.

It's why I prefer depictions like BTAS, Silver/Bronze age or even Adam West. THAT character I have been a lifelong fan of and will be forever. And that guy wasn't at odds with Superman, they weren't pitted against each other to prop one up over the other (usually Clark gets the shit end of the stick here), they were just straight up best buds. I have no use for the uneasy allies BS, or Bruce being less at ease with them being friends. I want the World's Finest with no pretenses of anything else, and I want it to be an asset to Clark instead of a drawback.

This. Well said.

[stargazer01]

Yes, but then I watch scenes like this in Justice League and I feel better.





Also this: "He's more human than I am. He lived in this world, fell in love, had a job. In spite of all that power. The World needs Superman. The team needs Clark."