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    Default How do you think Hickman's X-Men "reboot" will impact the Marvel Universe?

    Inspired by this Spider-Man thread.

    The Marvel comic to read at the moment is easily Jonathan Hickman's soft reboot of the X-Men series, which thus far is easily the best X-Men have been in a very long time. This run will lead to the Dawn of X relaunch, which will give the X-Men and the mutants of the world a brand new status quo, while making them core again after spending so many years being treated like garbage over film rights that are no longer an issue.

    Just a recap, the House of X/Powers of X series establishes that mutantkind has been fully restored, and furthermore, are increasing at such a rate that they'll be the dominant species in less than 20 years. They have their own nation, Krakoa, where they will serve as their kingdom until then, and only mutants are welcome. It's very clear that the "generosity" they're presenting is non-negotiable, and Magneto likens the mutants to being the new "gods" of the world. The comic has been well-received by answering so many of the prominent complaints over the years, and giving us a fresh new spin on things, and having a good sense of moral ambiguity. The six series announced in the storylines' wake thus far (X-Men, New Mutants, Excalibur, Fallen Angels, Marauders, X-Force) are all based on the status quo established by HoX/PoX.

    The story itself is largely self-contained as it's focused on rebuilding the mutant side of Marvel. Thus far, the only general MU characters to appear outside a brief flashback cameo are the Fantastic Four, in the first issue.

    However, I expect that once the status quo is set, it'll bleed into other titles and have massive ramifications across the MU. The whole "mutants will overtake everyone else" thing will likely factor into an overarching plot Hickman has planned just like he did with his Fantastic Four and Avengers runs, leading up to a massive event focused on the mutants and their relationship with the rest of the world that changes the universe forever.

    So what kind of effect can we expect?

    Some ideas:
    • For one, going by the first issue, I know Reed Richards is very much against giving mutant criminals amnesty just for being mutants. He's definitely going to have a stance against the mutant revolution as it grows. His son being a mutant is also important.
    • On the opposite end, I bet Doctor Doom probably will have something to say about the idea of the world belonging to mutants. I can see him gearing up Latveria and uniting others in an uneasy alliance as preparation for a war.
    • I'm betting the Avengers will try to make peace, but it might not work because of the shaky relationship, and the X-Men pointing out their past conflicts and the Avengers' lack of ability to stand up for mutantkind.

    Anyways, what effects can you imagine this having? Discuss.
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    None of this right now seems like it is the actual mainstream universe. Rather it is probably the precursor to the said reboot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    None of this right now seems like it is the actual mainstream universe. Rather it is probably the precursor to the said reboot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    None of this right now seems like it is the actual mainstream universe. Rather it is probably the precursor to the said reboot.
    The Krakoa situation was referenced in Invaders, which would imply it's the main continuity. Of course, Al Ewing is more aggressive at synergy than others.
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    I am guessing there will be a big event in Hickman's run that spreads across all the titles a la War of the Realms. Maybe more than one, who knows.

    But aside from that, how this will impact the Marvel Universe is in the apocryphal words of Zhou Enlai, "too soon to tell".

    HOX/POX is essentially the prologue to Hickman's X-Men run. It's largely standalone and stage-clearing and moving people in positions. It's basically getting the entire cast of X-Men and every mutant (hero, villain, other) on to one sentient island. The real meat will be when Hickman's X-Men #1 (2019) launches.

    And to be honest, as someone who's not the biggest fan in the world of events, I don't care a damn for how this might impact the Marvel Universe. Between impact and good X-Men stories, I'd take the latter. CIVIL WAR had an impact on the Marvel Universe but it was a bad story.

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    Honestly I don't think it'll effect the greater MCU TOO much. Right now it's fairly self-contained, as you mentioned. And I do believe that this will lead to an event or two. But ultimately I think the X-Men will largely revert back to status quo, as what tends to happen with them and comics in general.

    Hickman introduced a lot of characters and concepts in his Avengers run which didn't really make it too far past Secret Wars. I suspect the same will be true for his X-men stuff. But we'll see.

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    It won't impact anything. It won't even impact the X-universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    It won't impact anything. It won't even impact the X-universe.

    New into comics?
    No, I've been reading for a long time. But look at how they've promised and have delivered real change, with Marvel priming Hickman as being the next X-Revolutionary that finally moves the brand from replicating Claremont. Comics can change, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    No, I've been reading for a long time. But look at how they've promised and have delivered real change, with Marvel priming Hickman as being the next X-Revolutionary that finally moves the brand from replicating Claremont. Comics can change, dude.
    Depends on what kind of change you're talking about.

    X-Men will go back to their regular status quo soon enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    No, I've been reading for a long time. But look at how they've promised and have delivered real change, with Marvel priming Hickman as being the next X-Revolutionary that finally moves the brand from replicating Claremont. Comics can change, dude.
    The X-Men have always been separate in their own niche especially when they were bigger. They're so separate, it feels like they don't need the rest of the MU to function. Anything that happens will affect the X-Men unless they're ready to mix teams more and not make the majority of mutants X-Men affiliates, which is difficult to do.

    When you think of a Marvel event, you think "Wolverine" not "X-Men", which should change to "Jean Grey".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    Inspired by this Spider-Man thread.

    The Marvel comic to read at the moment is easily Jonathan Hickman's soft reboot of the X-Men series, which thus far is easily the best X-Men have been in a very long time. This run will lead to the Dawn of X relaunch, which will give the X-Men and the mutants of the world a brand new status quo, while making them core again after spending so many years being treated like garbage over film rights that are no longer an issue.

    Just a recap, the House of X/Powers of X series establishes that mutantkind has been fully restored, and furthermore, are increasing at such a rate that they'll be the dominant species in less than 20 years. They have their own nation, Krakoa, where they will serve as their kingdom until then, and only mutants are welcome. It's very clear that the "generosity" they're presenting is non-negotiable, and Magneto likens the mutants to being the new "gods" of the world. The comic has been well-received by answering so many of the prominent complaints over the years, and giving us a fresh new spin on things, and having a good sense of moral ambiguity. The six series announced in the storylines' wake thus far (X-Men, New Mutants, Excalibur, Fallen Angels, Marauders, X-Force) are all based on the status quo established by HoX/PoX.

    The story itself is largely self-contained as it's focused on rebuilding the mutant side of Marvel. Thus far, the only general MU characters to appear outside a brief flashback cameo are the Fantastic Four, in the first issue.

    However, I expect that once the status quo is set, it'll bleed into other titles and have massive ramifications across the MU. The whole "mutants will overtake everyone else" thing will likely factor into an overarching plot Hickman has planned just like he did with his Fantastic Four and Avengers runs, leading up to a massive event focused on the mutants and their relationship with the rest of the world that changes the universe forever.

    So what kind of effect can we expect?

    Some ideas:
    • For one, going by the first issue, I know Reed Richards is very much against giving mutant criminals amnesty just for being mutants. He's definitely going to have a stance against the mutant revolution as it grows. His son being a mutant is also important.
    • On the opposite end, I bet Doctor Doom probably will have something to say about the idea of the world belonging to mutants. I can see him gearing up Latveria and uniting others in an uneasy alliance as preparation for a war.
    • I'm betting the Avengers will try to make peace, but it might not work because of the shaky relationship, and the X-Men pointing out their past conflicts and the Avengers' lack of ability to stand up for mutantkind.

    Anyways, what effects can you imagine this having? Discuss.
    I hope that it resorts in a way that we see a considerable amount of variety in interactions between the humans and mutants, as opposed to being maliciously cornered like it's some religious war.

    As for the Avengers' relationship with them, at the risk of sounding like I'm having too rosy of a view of the world and/or being accused of denying the world's problems, I'll say that I miss when comics like Secret Wars showed more that, despite all the disagreements, shortcomings, and antagonism involved in the humans/mutates' relation with the mutants/X-Men, they're still able to reasonably communicate and cooperate towards a greater good.

    I don't know, some may call it unrealistic, overly-optimistic, or just a flat out joke, and perhaps it can indeed be worded better, but if you ask me, I don't think there's anything wrong with finding and embracing at least a little bit of that hopeful light even in the middle of that destructive darkness, having one's heart in the right place while actively working towards a solution, even if there isn't one close in sight. It just feels more... nuanced and human that way, and would be nice to see if Hickman brought a little more of that after all is said and done.


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    Yeah, I hope to see a good variety of interactions too. I also want to see a variety of different motives and reactions to this shift in power.

    A perfect example is Reed being against the mutant revolution. It would certainly have nothing to do with him having any mutant prejudices himself, but rather what it means for all people of Earth. The idea of giving mutant criminals like Sabretooth amnesty just for being mutants doesn't sit well with Reed at all, and I bet he wouldn't like how the mutants are suddenly painting all non-mutants as uniformly bad. Just look at the fact that Krakoa doesn't allow for non-mutants to live there, even their friends and allies both close to the X-Men and in the wider superhero community. Even former X-Men that weren't mutants, such as Omega Sentinel, can't enter (turning her against them in the process). It's made very clear: If you're not a mutant, you're not one of them. It doesn't matter if you were with them or against them before, you're on the outside of the culture.

    Let's not forget the very real possibility that humans could end up enslaved or subject to genocide, what with the think-tank that Krakoa creates, and Magneto referring to them being the "new gods".

    That's the kind of thing that'll make Reed put his foot down. Elsewhere, someone pointed out that being discriminated is one thing, but it doesn't give you the right to treat even those who were kind to you as being lower than yourself when suddenly you're in a position of power. I expect Reed to eventually confront them about it, and pointing out their hypocrisy in the process, that racism of any form is unjust and their treatment makes them no better than the people who discriminated them to begin with.

    Sounds very interesting.

    Hickman is doing a good job at portraying all sides as having a point, being both right and wrong, and making them sympathetic for it. It works a lot better there than Civil War.

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    I don't know, some may call it unrealistic, overly-optimistic, or just a flat out joke, and perhaps it can indeed be worded better, but if you ask me, I don't think there's anything wrong with finding and embracing at least a little bit of that hopeful light even in the middle of that destructive darkness, having one's heart in the right place while actively working towards a solution, even if there isn't one close in sight. It just feels more... nuanced and human that way, and would be nice to see if Hickman brought a little more of that after all is said and done.
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    Now seriously I'd like the X-men to be heroes working for the common good. Not a remix of ALL the things they've been fighting against all along.

    I'd like them to come out of thier little corner of the universe and everybody get the message that "This" is what happens when people build super-robot-killing machines.

    Show them ALL the futures they've seen. All the wars and subjugation and show that "No, magneto, building a wall around mutants and bullying the world ISN'T the way".

    They should be marvel heroes fighting for good as well. IMHO.
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    Hydra cap would throw his lot with the mutants more wholeheartedly this time and claim he is a mutant as he is a creation of a mutated cosmic cube. Lol. No doubt he will persuade them to throw inhumans into camps again. Thankfully Hickman is a muuuuch better writer than Spencer who seems like a amateur before him so no magical cosmic retcons will be introduced like the kind Spencer pulled out of his arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmark View Post
    Hydra cap would throw his lot with the mutants more wholeheartedly this time
    i seriously doubt it. he'd approve of them staying on krakoa. but he would be looking for ways to create a shield between the mutants and the rest of Hydra-controlled territory. if not magic-based, it would be something like Blackout using his darkforce powers again. Hydra Cap only respected order. and the existence of mutants naturally challenges that order.
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