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    HoX/PoX leans more sci-fi, but it doesn't exclude a religious perspective. You've got Cardinal, for instance, saying 'his faith is boundless' and he 'prays for all living things.' And then there's Nightcrawler's conversation with Logan before they die. Hickman seems pretty well acquainted with theological concepts.

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    You guys are reading to much into this. All these questions about souls, clones and afterlife has nothing to do with the story. First of all, we don't know where this story is going so any speculation at this point is just that. Second, unless Hickman is hinting at something, just take what's on page at face value. The whole process is explained at length and with details even giving you a cult like scene showing you why the resurrected are still their original. Third, if you start questioning this philosophically, you're going to be bogged down in a sandpit that will undo the whole story line. I mean, take Star Trek for example. When people use the teleporter, is the person that gets reconstituted on the other side the same one that got deconstructed? Isn't the person essentially just a clone at that point? What happens when there's an accident and the teleporter buffer creates a redundancy of your pattern. When you get scrambled to atoms on one side and two of you are rematerialized on the other, are you both the originals? Things like this are why you just watch the show and don't think about how things work to deeply. The teleporter just works.......most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XchaiX View Post
    You guys are reading to much into this. All these questions about souls, clones and afterlife has nothing to do with the story. First of all, we don't know where this story is going so any speculation at this point is just that. Second, unless Hickman is hinting at something, just take what's on page at face value. The whole process is explained at length and with details even giving you a cult like scene showing you why the resurrected are still their original. Third, if you start questioning this philosophically, you're going to be bogged down in a sandpit that will undo the whole story line. I mean, take Star Trek for example. When people use the teleporter, is the person that gets reconstituted on the other side the same one that got deconstructed? Isn't the person essentially just a clone at that point? What happens when there's an accident and the teleporter buffer creates a redundancy of your pattern. When you get scrambled to atoms on one side and two of you are rematerialized on the other, are you both the originals? Things like this are why you just watch the show and don't think about how things work to deeply. The teleporter just works.......most of the time.
    The teleporter comparison is accurate. It just works...unless you're Riker, that is. So the basic idea I take at face value, realizing there's room for writers to play with the implications if they want. But Tom Riker is considered the exception, not the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    The teleporter comparison is accurate. It just works...unless you're Riker, that is. So the basic idea I take at face value, realizing there's room for writers to play with the implications if they want. But Tom Riker is considered the exception, not the rule.
    The most horrifying story of the teleporter........you may not even get reconstituted in your own universe. Imagine having your atoms scrambled. Are you dead? Who knows. You're just atoms in a buffer. Your pattern is sent up, but an accident causes your pattern to be sent to the wrong ship. Unbeknownst to you, you've rematerialized in an alternate universe where everyone you know is evil and ready to kill you as soon as the opportunity arises.

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    I like how 90% of the CBR population revealed they have degrees in Cloning Ethics and Soul Studies.

    Well done, Hickman.
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    So after this last issue...yeah, still not sure I'm buying what X and Mangeto are selling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    So after this last issue...yeah, still not sure I'm buying what X and Mangeto are selling.
    Well, Xavier does say spoilers:
    they'll think we're doing one thing when what we're actually doing is something else
    end of spoilers

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    Well, Xavier does say spoilers:
    they'll think we're doing one thing when what we're actually doing is something else
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    So many ways to read that one part.

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    How far along in the process of complete Mutant resurrection are we assumed to be? The earliest death that had been reversed was Synch while the latest is Banshee. Could we assume that every mutant that died between those points of time is already back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycon View Post
    How far along in the process of complete Mutant resurrection are we assumed to be? The earliest death that had been reversed was Synch while the latest is Banshee. Could we assume that every mutant that died between those points of time is already back?
    no. that would include the randoms on Genosha which would take the most time. those were estimated at millions and would take quite a while

    there was a bunch of characters for Storm's speech in the last house of X .... some looked like students while the rest who knows....

    aren't the only real confirmations Banshee, Xorn, and a couple of the Cuckoos? along with Synch and Mimic ? (was Mimic even dead?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whim View Post
    no. that would include the randoms on Genosha which would take the most time. those were estimated at millions and would take quite a while

    there was a bunch of characters for Storm's speech in the last house of X .... some looked like students while the rest who knows....

    aren't the only real confirmations Banshee, Xorn, and a couple of the Cuckoos? along with Synch and Mimic ? (was Mimic even dead?)
    There were a few names on the Omega list. Vulcan is back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whim View Post
    no. that would include the randoms on Genosha which would take the most time. those were estimated at millions and would take quite a while

    there was a bunch of characters for Storm's speech in the last house of X .... some looked like students while the rest who knows....

    aren't the only real confirmations Banshee, Xorn, and a couple of the Cuckoos? along with Synch and Mimic ? (was Mimic even dead?)
    Exclusing Genosha, of course, but that’s a specific case. And everyone confirmed back so far:

    Banshee, Shen & Kuan-Yin Xorn, Esme Cuckoo, Sophie Cuckoo, Synch, Bedlam, Mimic (died in Extermination), Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Daken, Chamber, Havok, Vulcan, Warlock, Sabretooth, and Sebastian Shaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycon View Post
    How far along in the process of complete Mutant resurrection are we assumed to be? The earliest death that had been reversed was Synch while the latest is Banshee. Could we assume that every mutant that died between those points of time is already back?
    But what about...


    or...


    or...


    Do they not matter??? If you can bring anyone back...why not them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0013 View Post
    But what about...
    [IMG]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/d/dd/John_Proudstar_%28Earth-616%29_from_Official_Handbook_of_the_Marvel_Univer se_Vol_1_14.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130810022158

    or...
    [IMG]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/1/1a/Petra_%28Earth-616%29_from_X-Men_Deadly_Genesis_Vol_1_4_0001.png/revision/latest?cb=20190407082142

    or...
    [IMG]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/2/21294/570810-381px_sway__by_david_yardin_.jpg

    Do they not matter??? If you can bring anyone back...why not them?
    I hope when they bring back John Proudstar, he remembers Chaos War. I made a whole thread about it lol.

    As for Petra, I think Xavier's been shown to be haunted by those deaths for a while, so I assume they're on the list.

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    Well the crew that blew up Orchis' Mother Mold just died and was like immediately resurrected

    So I don't think it's like a deli counter, first come first served. Xavier and the Krakoa council can probably decide which mutants have the highest priority to be resurrected.

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