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    Spider-Man has an actually interesting supporting cast/rogues gallery and has several aspects of his own universe that work wonderfully and work better when it's standalone.

    The reason he's "excluded" is he doesn't need the Avengers/FF/X-Men and everyone in Marvel knows this.

    I understand for new readers that Shared Universe Recognition and Synergy is some kind of bizarre status symbol but for most of Marvel's publication history the shared universe was just a means of getting the most out of every character Marvel had rights and license to. The Avengers from the 60s to the early 2000s was a dumping ground for rejects/D-listers and others who couldn't carry their own title.

    The reason Spider-Man's world rarely crossed over with other characters is that he existed independently of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Spider-Man has an actually interesting supporting cast/rogues gallery and has several aspects of his own universe that work wonderfully and work better when it's standalone.

    The reason he's "excluded" is he doesn't need the Avengers/FF/X-Men and everyone in Marvel knows this.

    I understand for new readers that Shared Universe Recognition and Synergy is some kind of bizarre status symbol but for most of Marvel's publication history the shared universe was just a means of getting the most out of every character Marvel had rights and license to. The Avengers from the 60s to the early 2000s was a dumping ground for rejects/D-listers and others who couldn't carry their own title.

    The reason Spider-Man's world rarely crossed over with other characters is that he existed independently of them.
    I feel that most of Spider-Man's underused supporting cast and rogues gallery can find a new lease on life elsewhere in the Marvel universe and vice versa. A good example would be The Black Cat in the world of Hawkeye, Gambit and Daredevil. It would cool to see The Morlocks and The Hellfire Club in the world of Spider-Man as they are located in the same area. The Kingpin is more of a Daredevil villain than he ever was as a Spider-Man antagonist.

    Another example of a D-List character who would be perfect reoccurring guest star as part of Spider-Man's world is Tigra as a his ally who works as a Police Officer. Nightcrawler, Psylocke, The Beast, and Mystique might be better served in the world of Spider-Man. The same goes for Jessica Drew, Brian Braddock, and The Black Widow as frequent guest. Sometimes its good to mix things up because it unlocks stories that has yet to be told.

    I feel that Norman Osborn, Tombstone, and Mister Negative could potentially be a great antagonist for The X-Men respectively....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthfury78 View Post
    I feel that most of Spider-Man's underused supporting cast and rogues gallery can find a new lease on life elsewhere in the Marvel universe and vice versa.
    That's actually happened plenty of times.
    -- John Jameson, son of Jonah, was pilot for Captain America and showed up regularly in Captain America comics.
    -- Jonah himself appeared numerous times in the pages of Daredevil, most prominently in Miller's run. He also gets a swell speech in Born Again.
    -- Mary Jane Watson was Carol Danvers' first supporting character and more recently appeared in Iron Man.
    -- Liz Allan during the period she was a widow to Harry i.e. Pre-OMD dated Foggy Nelson in Daredevil titles.
    -- More recently, Noah Winters, the new character in BND appeared as a supporting character in Rucka's run on The Punisher.

    A good example would be The Black Cat in the world of Hawkeye, Gambit and Daredevil.
    Gambit is married to Rogue right now, so I doubt Felicia would play well with him. Hawkeye and Daredevil I guess, though given the number of bad and awful things that have happened to women in Murdock's life, I'd rather she stay away from Matt. So Barton it is. Alternatively, she could be an interesting mentor to Kate Bishop.

    It would cool to see The Morlocks and The Hellfire Club in the world of Spider-Man as they are located in the same area.
    Well Spider-Man did famously fight Juggernaut so why not?

    The Kingpin is more of a Daredevil villain than he ever was as a Spider-Man antagonist.
    Agreed. But one example doesn't mean every instance would be justified.

    I feel that Norman Osborn, Tombstone, and Mister Negative could potentially be a great antagonist for The X-Men respectively....
    Norman Osborn was an antagonist to the X-Men among others during Dark Reign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    That's actually happened plenty of times.
    -- John Jameson, son of Jonah, was pilot for Captain America and showed up regularly in Captain America comics.
    He's also Man-Wolf, and currently an Agent of Wakanda.

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    John was also married to She-Hulk.

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    He also met wolverine in the 'cap wolf' arc IIRC.

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