Powers Of X #5: For The Children *spoilers*

[Devaishwarya]

BUT I do see how it can be frsutrating going from X-Men Red Jean Grey to the one showing up in HoxPox. She was being way more proactive and a leader for mutants in that series.

I don't understand the angst and disgruntledness for two reasons:
1: Different stories.
2: Different writers.
...and as such different 'agency'. She was front and centre in one, she's not in the other...what's the bigfrakkin'deal? Characters get rotated in and out of prominence all the time depending on who the writer chooses to drive the story, at the time and the type of story they want to tell.
Character-specific fans (of all characters, not just Jean) need to either:
Seek therapy to come to terms with the situation (because unless they start writing for Marvel's X-Men, it won't change and all that bitching and whining can't be healthy).
Take a sabatical when their favourite is not featured. (Jean is featured front and centre in X-Force, yay!!!)
or...and this might be revolutionary to some:
Learn. To. Love. And. Appreciate. More. Than. One. Character. Or better yet...The. X-Men. As. A. Whole.

[Graphicisnovel]

To be real here, I support Emma in the inhuman thing and think it's a bad example. At the end of the day the inhumans sat around and let their cloud kill mutant after mutant while they ran their casino and did almost nothing to stop it and killed her lover. I can see that. Jean, who i love as a character, destroyed an entire galaxy for a lot less and one can say it was Jean herself but it was in the respect that it was a duplicate of her that contained at least some of her consciousness. ONe could argue most or all of it since Jean under the ocean didn't start to react until after PhoenixJean was destroyed.

And i don't mean support as in "Yes kill them all." but rather. "I wouldn't have done it but you let em know."

Both examples were just bad writing and havent been referenced in the story so we could just move on and bury it in my opinion.

Add to the list, Cyclops was possessed when he killed Xavier, Magneto has tried genocide or terrorism before as well, etc... no one is an angel, let's look to the future. I think that's the MArvel mindset.

[Knives]

Certain things will never change there will always be these fan schisms about the characters.

Even the council that rules the island being temporary that can change like members become a reason for these discussions.

Personally I'm glad Scott is not among the members.

[spirit2011]

To be real here, I support Emma in the inhuman thing and think it's a bad example. At the end of the day the inhumans sat around and let their cloud kill mutant after mutant while they ran their casino and did almost nothing to stop it and killed her lover. I can see that. Jean, who i love as a character, destroyed an entire galaxy for a lot less and one can say it was Jean herself but it was in the respect that it was a duplicate of her that contained at least some of her consciousness. ONe could argue most or all of it since Jean under the ocean didn't start to react until after PhoenixJean was destroyed.

And i don't mean support as in "Yes kill them all." but rather. "I wouldn't have done it but you let em know."

Jean destroyed a entire galaxy after being abused, she was as a victim as the people she murdered. How many ptsd veterans hurt theirselves and their family after a way they fought. A lot, but they are traumatized on war and most of times are abandoned on their own without medical supervisoning.

Inhumans are a monarch, it's not like everyone can do something. Medusa decided on the last minute stop the cloud. That doesn't justify Emma killing randoms inhumans in retribution. They were with Ahura so they probably weren't that into what blackbolt and Medusa were doing

[RachelGrey]

nah I'm against mass murders, even if inhumans (as they are boring as solo characters)

ok we get it Spirit, you are stuck forever in a horribly written story that was designed to emphasize the Inhumans and diminish the X-Men.

In the end the Inhumans are guilty of releasing a genocidal gas world wide that killed 1000's of mutants, and sterilized other mutants. Your big heroes the Inhumans are guilty of genocide. Emma fought a war and she was emotional in that war and took it too far, but she sure as hell didn't start that war, the Inhumans did everything they could to stop Emma from destroying the first cloud and they wouldn't listen to what everyone was trying to tell them of the harm it was doing to mutants. The mutants almost had to abandon the Earth entirely because of the Inhumans.

But you are right, Emma is guilty of a war crime against another group that is guilty of mass genocide. If we put Emma on trial then every single member of the royal family needs to be put on trial too for committing genocide on the mutant race.

The whole story was stupid anyway, the Terrigen mist never impacted mutants before, this was just a stupid way for the writers to do their Inhumans vs X-Men.

Anyway, we all get it you hate and despise Emma and wish she was written out of all of Marvel Comics.

[spirit2011]

BUT I do see how it can be frsutrating going from X-Men Red Jean Grey to the one showing up in HoxPox. She was being way more proactive and a leader for mutants in that series.

This

Jean story isn't being respected over some fan favoritism

[jwatson]

Both examples were just bad writing and havent been referenced in the story so we could just move on and bury it in my opinion.

Add to the list, Cyclops was possessed when he killed Xavier, Magneto has tried genocide or terrorism before as well, etc... no one is an angel, let's look to the future. I think that's the MArvel mindset.

I completely agree with you. I think it's unfair to paint Emma as some genocidal maniac but then give an excuse to Jean but ignore the very basis for each decision and the mindset of both when such decisions were made. One was in the heat of the moment and the other was in a lot of ways for no reason at all. It's not fair to paint any one character with a one sided brush to make a reason for why another should be there. Let's at least debate fair.

[KusaSan_Snd]

I don't understand the angst and disgruntledness for two reasons:
1: Different stories.
2: Different writers.
...and as such different 'agency'. She was front and centre in one, she's not in the other...what's the bigfrakkin'deal? Characters get rotated in and out of prominence all the time depending on who the writer chooses to drive the story, at the time and the type of story they want to tell.
Character-specific fans (of all characters, not just Jean) need to either:
Seek therapy to come to terms with the situation (because unless they start writing for Marvel's X-Men, it won't change and all that bitching and whining can't be healthy).
Take a sabatical when their favourite is not featured. (Jean is featured front and centre in X-Force, yay!!!)
or...and this might be revolutionary to some:
Learn. To. Love. And. Appreciate. More. Than. One. Character. Or better yet...The. X-Men. As. A. Whole.

Agreed. It's because o those kind of fan that we got shitty story after that. When at least the X-Men have a story ambitious for them there still some people here who complain about their fav character.

[cranger]

This thread is again already going to be very large, just keep things on topic. Characters that did not even show up are not on topic. I am sure there is an appreciation thread somewhere this is more suited. Please.

Edit to add, the Inhumans are not in this book either.

[Veitha]

It is quite funny that Jean wasn't in this issue lol from the comments it sounds like Emma punched Jean in the face and all the other X-Men laughed about it.

[spirit2011]

ok we get it Spirit, you are stuck forever in a horribly written story that was designed to emphasize the Inhumans and diminish the X-Men.

In the end the Inhumans are guilty of releasing a genocidal gas world wide that killed 1000's of mutants, and sterilized other mutants. Your big heroes the Inhumans are guilty of genocide. Emma fought a war and she was emotional in that war and took it too far, but she sure as hell didn't start that war, the Inhumans did everything they could to stop Emma from destroying the first cloud and they wouldn't listen to what everyone was trying to tell them of the harm it was doing to mutants. The mutants almost had to abandon the Earth entirely because of the Inhumans.

But you are right, Emma is guilty of a war crime against another group that is guilty of mass genocide. If we put Emma on trial then every single member of the royal family needs to be put on trial too for committing genocide on the mutant race.

The whole story was stupid anyway, the Terrigen mist never impacted mutants before, this was just a stupid way for the writers to do their Inhumans vs X-Men.

Anyway, we all get it you hate and despise Emma and wish she was written out of all of Marvel Comics.

Inhumans didn't released the clouds. Who did it was the king Black king on his own, also remember that he was "fired" from being a king after it.
Medusa let the cloud continue, but was trying to find a way to stop;

The was was already won, she could just chill. More deaths wouldn't solve a thing.
For her lucky she just got out of it without any consequence, exactly the way she has been doing since her creation

[RachelGrey]

I completely agree with you. I think it's unfair to paint Emma as some genocidal maniac but then give an excuse to Jean but ignore the very basis for each decision and the mindset of both when such decisions were made. One was in the heat of the moment and the other was in a lot of ways for no reason at all. It's not fair to paint any one character with a one sided brush to make a reason for why another should be there. Let's at least debate fair.

You know I just want someone to do a entire comic where Jean and Emma go on a mission together and end the issue with them shaking hands or even hugging it out and agreeing to try and be friends going forward. That would make my day.

Maybe Hickman will do one issue of X-Men where Jean and Emma have to work together to save everyone else and it's just them for the whole issue.

[CGAR]

This

Jean story isn't being respected over some fan favoritism

I don't think Emma was wrong in getting rid of the Terrigen Clouds. And are you really using the awful IvX to make this a Jean vs Emma arguement?

Chill. OUT. YO.

[jwatson]

Jean destroyed a entire galaxy after being abused, she was as a victim as the people she murdered. How many ptsd veterans hurt theirselves and their family after a way they fought. A lot, but they are traumatized on war and most of times are abandoned on their own without medical supervisoning.

Inhumans are a monarch, it's not like everyone can do something. Medusa decided on the last minute stop the cloud. That doesn't justify Emma killing randoms inhumans in retribution. They were with Ahura so they probably weren't that into what blackbolt and Medusa were doing

So Emma should get the same curtosey. She was a stirpper at a club at a young age using her powers to benefit the hellfire club. She felt so bad about herself at one point she basically had complete plastic surgery. She watched student after student die. She was phyiscally abused, mentally abused, socially abused. What make's her past or her experience any less meaningful than Jean's. Because she did bad things? Well one could say if not for Scott, or Xavier, or the many other people who treated and acted like Jean was better than what she felt about herself she could be worse than Emma.

[powerpax]

Emma was grieving and unstable during the Inhumans mess. She is neither the first nor the last hero (or antihero) to go off the spool in similar circumstances. Daredevil does it every six months. It's behind her now.