Who else would you like to see resurrected?

[Havok83]

Yeah. For sure. I can see why Scott wouldn't want Maddie brought back - reminder of the days he started being an arse.

That said - I see discussions for the Emma clones... and granted "hive mind" or not... still clones right?

I mean, Maddie had a life of her own - became a pilot, did things, she lived her own life.

It's an interesting position to take.

Because technically they'd never resurrect Professor Xavier right?

Or did they forget when Xavier was cloned by the Starjammers - due to the egg in him from the Brood Queen? After Uncanny X-Men #167, or so...

"The X-Men discover this and return to free Xavier, but they are too late to prevent his body from being destroyed with a Brood Queen in its place; however, his soul remains intact. The X-Men and Starjammers subdue this monstrous creature containing Xavier's essence, but the only way to restore him is to clone a new body using tissue samples he donated to the Starjammers and transfer his consciousness into the clone body. This new body possesses functional legs, though the psychosomatic pain Xavier experienced after living so long as a paraplegic takes some time to subside."

Eh, just put Maddy's mind in Maddy and Jean's mind in Jean. Maddy's got a mutant gene, so she should be backed up in Cerebro like every other mutant on Earth. Seems easy enough.

IMO, the whole thing was an excuse because the QC *didn't want* Maddy back. They've already got Selene, Sinister, Shadow King, Shaw, Exodus, etc. to keep an eye on, and are, frankly, doing a crap job of that. Last thing they need to do is add to the pile of problems on their plate.

Maddie is a cautionary tale for what happens when someone is cloned when the original is still alive.

[Chris0013]

Maddie is a cautionary tale for what happens when someone is cloned when the original is still alive.

Not really...it was everything that led to her finding out she was a clone that caused the problems. Sinister's manipulations, Scott's abandoning her, the Marauders trying to kill her...

Maddie being a clone of Jean is no different than the Cuckoos being clones of Emma...it's the treatment of them as individuals that can cause the problems.

[Havok83]

Not really...it was everything that led to her finding out she was a clone that caused the problems. Sinister's manipulations, Scott's abandoning her, the Marauders trying to kill her...

Maddie being a clone of Jean is no different than the Cuckoos being clones of Emma...it's the treatment of them as individuals that can cause the problems.

She was an extension of Jean. She was an inanimate shell until the Phoenix 'died" and then used a part of Jean's soul to give her life and that only happened bc Jean rejected it. She had some of Jean's memories and even her love for Scott. She oly existed for a couple of months before we were introduced to her and any non-Jean memories she had were false, fabcricated by Sinister to give her the sense of having lived a full life. The original Jean was not dead and Maddie should have never existed. She merged with Jean in Inferno, returning the piece of her soul that she had and her memories were incorporated into Jean. The two personalities shared the body for a short while until Maddie was fully integrated into her. The original Maddie lives on through Jean

This is a cautionary tale bc lets say a resurrected mutant finds out that the original isnt dead, its going to create the same complication. I think Leah is playing with that in X-Factor with Prodigy. If there are two of them, I think they are going to have to merge somehow. That'll likely mean one dies and the other's memories is added to the other

[patch]

In Hellions #4....Scott tells Alex that Maddie won't be resurrected and states..."There are protocols. She was a clone of Jean. The Council doesn't want...". So...yes the resurrected are clones...but they want to only put the original person in a clone...not someone else. However the Cuckoos are just a bunch of clones of Emma...and the 2 dead ones were brought back...so the council is just being hypocrites.

Yeah, there are inconsistencies which don't really make sense to me, the Cuckoos being a prime example especially since they won't give Gabby/Scout a straight answer (and she would be very aware of the situation with the Cuckoos). It would make slightly better sense to me if part of the protocols (for 'clones') is that the donor/'original' had to grant permission (Emma would have wanted all her 'daughters' returned to her; Laura certainly would want Gabby protected (of course this opens the can of worms as to what to do with the other 'sister clones'); Magneto has no interest in bringing Joseph back).

I absolutely don't want Alex to end up with Maddie (all sorts of wrong there) but that opinion is certainly separate from the scope of the question of resurrection for Maddie. When Maddie died (the first time at least) Jean resorbed that part of her (I think explained as the portion of the Phoenix that awakened Maddie when she killed herself on the moon), so perhaps she doesn't feel a resurrection is warranted (plus Jean never considered Maddie as a sister, and would have viewed her as a piece stolen from her by Sinister). I think Scott's treatment of that whole situation is the most disturbing (forgetting your deceased wife and mother of your child who you just have call your current wife 'mom' (and I know that's an oversimplification since Jean did 'raise' Cable for several years in the future, aside that Jean-Cable are indeed genetically connected)).

[From The Shadows]

I am not a fan of the resurrections...but since they are doing it they need to lean into it. So ANY mutant who died...as well as any possible or intended mutant needs to show up alive...and in more that just a 'look..there he is in the back corner of the party shot with 50 random characters' way. John Proudstar should be shown with a little prominence even if only shown sparring with his little brother and talking about what's going on. Same with someone like Darkstar (former Champion and friend of Bobby and Warren) or Jean's niece and nephew...and possibly Jean's sister. According to Claremont...Sara was going to have a power to activate latent mutant genes...Xavier would get all twitterpated over someone like that.

I'm not really into the resurrections either and I really want to put my foot down a lot at times but I guess I found this thread too tempting. To add... There are so many mutants that you wonder what's the point if you are only going to use the same characters again and again. And there are many smaller character that have some connections at least to the mainstays re: your examples Darkstar's to Bobby and Warren and Sara to Jean... that taking advantage of it would make such interactions seem less contrived and a reason to bring characters to the forefront. I think too many times now people will put certain characters together and force them into roles instead of building it up with an in story reason and then graduate to something bigger but that's thoughts for another topic I guess.

[ospfwildcard]

i would like the real x-men to be resurrected. this current version are not the real ones.

[Bozack]

Jamie Madrox since Hickman and company are treating a well-developed character with a unique powerset like he's still dead.

[Adam-X]

i would like the real x-men to be resurrected. this current version are not the real ones.

You must be an older reader like myself?

She was an extension of Jean. She was an inanimate shell until the Phoenix 'died" and then used a part of Jean's soul to give her life and that only happened bc Jean rejected it. She had some of Jean's memories and even her love for Scott. She oly existed for a couple of months before we were introduced to her and any non-Jean memories she had were false, fabcricated by Sinister to give her the sense of having lived a full life. The original Jean was not dead and Maddie should have never existed. She merged with Jean in Inferno, returning the piece of her soul that she had and her memories were incorporated into Jean. The two personalities shared the body for a short while until Maddie was fully integrated into her. The original Maddie lives on through Jean

This is a cautionary tale bc lets say a resurrected mutant finds out that the original isnt dead, its going to create the same complication. I think Leah is playing with that in X-Factor with Prodigy. If there are two of them, I think they are going to have to merge somehow. That'll likely mean one dies and the other's memories is added to the other

If she was a clone and an extension of Jean - how come she never displayed any powers until Inferno?

[Chris0013]

She was an extension of Jean. She was an inanimate shell until the Phoenix 'died" and then used a part of Jean's soul to give her life and that only happened bc Jean rejected it. She had some of Jean's memories and even her love for Scott. She oly existed for a couple of months before we were introduced to her and any non-Jean memories she had were false, fabcricated by Sinister to give her the sense of having lived a full life. The original Jean was not dead and Maddie should have never existed. She merged with Jean in Inferno, returning the piece of her soul that she had and her memories were incorporated into Jean. The two personalities shared the body for a short while until Maddie was fully integrated into her. The original Maddie lives on through Jean

This is a cautionary tale bc lets say a resurrected mutant finds out that the original isnt dead, its going to create the same complication. I think Leah is playing with that in X-Factor with Prodigy. If there are two of them, I think they are going to have to merge somehow. That'll likely mean one dies and the other's memories is added to the other

But her personal experiences make her a unique individual.

I'm not really into the resurrections either and I really want to put my foot down a lot at times but I guess I found this thread too tempting. To add... There are so many mutants that you wonder what's the point if you are only going to use the same characters again and again. And there are many smaller character that have some connections at least to the mainstays re: your examples Darkstar's to Bobby and Warren and Sara to Jean... that taking advantage of it would make such interactions seem less contrived and a reason to bring characters to the forefront. I think too many times now people will put certain characters together and force them into roles instead of building it up with an in story reason and then graduate to something bigger but that's thoughts for another topic I guess.

I...for one...would like to see their stories. If not a series focusing on resurrected characters then backup stories across the line of X-Books.

[Jackraow21]

Maddie and Destiny... bring on the chaos!

And Cable. Inferno 2: Demonic Boogaloo

Let’s go!

[Grunty]

This is a cautionary tale bc lets say a resurrected mutant finds out that the original isnt dead, its going to create the same complication. I think Leah is playing with that in X-Factor with Prodigy. If there are two of them, I think they are going to have to merge somehow. That'll likely mean one dies and the other's memories is added to the other

Which makes the fact that nobody thought of creating a team like X-factor before they decided to start the mass replication of MILLIONS of dead people quite odd.
Wouldn't that be the top priority before they greenlight the whole process for everyone? It's like someone creates an insurance company and only after allready shelling out a few millions in money, decides to actualy hire people to investigate if the claims are true.

As for the solution to the duplicates issue. I think the problem with the idea of just merging the memories is that it would risk creating a split personality or other identity issues to the merged person.
Because regardless of how perfect multiple copies of the same thing are created, the moment they are used, they start to diverge from their original identical state. While it can still be said they are the same object, they obviously aren't identical anymore.

The same would theoretical apply to people too, since a person is shaped by their experience and reflection on them, which is a process that keeps on going until their death.
Now of course throughout their life a person develops firm opinions, biases and characteristics that defines who they are and which will seldomly radically change, but the potential for changes, small or big, is always there.
So if you create two exact duplicates of the same person, they will start to stop being identical the moment they start to live their individual lifes. A difference that will grow bigger the longer they exist.

Hence why merging two different sets of memories into a singular new one would likely come with a massive risk of identity issues or memory association and even if the fusion has sucessfully resulted in a stable individual, there would be the question on what ever the fused person is either of the two old ones or a third new one.

The later would also create an issue when it comes to the memory backups stored on Cerebro, because now there would be the question if the new fused individual should replace the previous stored copy of one of the old individuals (meaning said indvidual is dead now) or if the merged person should count as new individual and get a seperated memory slot?

Which in turn raises the question of what would happen if both versions of replicated mutant would decide that they don't want to risk merging, because both could claim to be a new indvidual and therefor in the right to be treated seperatly.

It's a subject which has been explored a lot in fantasy and science fiction.

And it certainly does explain why they don't want to have clones under any means necessary.
It's also one of the several reasons why this whole process is likely not going to survive beyond Hickman's run, since it not only creates in universe headaches but is also narratively unsustainable in a super hero franchise with constant duplicates, fake or locked away memories, time travel and paralell universes.

[Havok83]

You must be an older reader like myself?

If she was a clone and an extension of Jean - how come she never displayed any powers until Inferno?

She was a latent mutant and Claremont retconned her as having used TP back in UXM 201 to influence Scott's fight with Storm

But her personal experiences make her a unique individual.

I dont think thats how its being treated though.

OG Jean lives and "dies" in UXM 100. She is replaced by Phoenix
Phoenix lives and dies in UXM 139. She is replaced by Maddie
Maddie lives and in this time we learn that OG Jean never died. Maddie dies in Inferno and all 3 are merged into Jean as her soul existed within all 3 beings. They were fragments of the same person and made whole again

[lurkerforyears]

Jamie Madrox since Hickman and company are treating a well-developed character with a unique powerset like he's still dead.

I think they don't know what to do with Layla Miller and their child

[lurkerforyears]

Not really...it was everything that led to her finding out she was a clone that caused the problems. Sinister's manipulations, Scott's abandoning her, the Marauders trying to kill her...

Maddie being a clone of Jean is no different than the Cuckoos being clones of Emma...it's the treatment of them as individuals that can cause the problems.

I don't think it's set in stone that the Cuckoos are clones of Emma. Bendis planned on revealing who their father is. Canonwise I think we don't know if they are clones of Emma or clones of a daughter of Emma created in a lab by Sublime, with the genetic material of a still unknown father. In Here Comes Tomorrow they don't age, and they seem to be natural blondes too.

Maddy doesn't get resurrected because it looks like high ranking mutants have the authority to greatly delay or stop resurrections of villains they hate, like Emma with regards to her sisters (one of them was the murderer of Synch pretty much), or Xavier eternally delaying the resurrection of Destiny

[Sutekh]

I think they don't know what to do with Layla Miller and their child

Agreed. They don't seem to want to put him in the same boat as Cyclops by continuing to use the character after sort of pretending he doesn't have a wife and child they don't want to use.

Plus I'm not sure he's that popular with various writers who aren't Peter David. He tends to get overlooked a lot, and lacks some visual flair, being basically 'army of identical dudes.' Honestly, I'd rather see him not in a prominent role but as 'support guy' who shows up in *every* book in the background doing something, because there are like *fifty* of him wandering around Krakoa and the Savage Land and the SWORD station and Emma's island retreat (where he's pretty much the entire waitstaff) and Forge and Sage's labs, doing all sorts of background stuff that needs doing and 'face' mutants are too busy to do (or have powers that are more useful elsewhere that overseeing drug-farms and shipping manifests and equipment maintenance and lab work and checking security feeds).