"Joker" (Spoilers!)

[Fairyprincess]

British tabloids are having a field day because one of the songs the joker dances to is written and sung by British celebrity peadophile, Gary gliter......

[Star_Jammer]

I think Warner generated the controversy itself to boost ticket sales

WB is also buying out movie theaters to boost Joker’s sales. I know this, because my theater was nearly empty at 2:30 in the afternoon on a nice Saturday.

[Electricmastro]

I think Warner generated the controversy itself to boost ticket sales

On purpose or not, nonetheless, I found the social commentary I came across analyzing the film to be rather interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_...ial_commentary

"Vejvoda, Hammond, and The Guardian's Christina Newland interpreted the film as a cautionary tale—society's ignorance of those who are less fortunate will create a person like the Joker."

"Stephen Kent, writing for The Washington Examiner, described Arthur Fleck as blending shared aspects of mass shooters, and interpreted its message as a reminder that society is riddled with men like the Joker."

"Writing in People's World, Chauncey K. Robinson said the film "walks a fine line between exploration and validation" of Joker's character and is "ultimately an in-your-face examination of a broken system that creates its own monsters."

"Richard Lawson of Vanity Fair found the film was too sympathetic towards "white men who commit heinous crimes" and that the social-politics ideologies represented in the film are "evils that are far more easily identifiable" to people "who shoot up schools and concerts and churches, who gun down the women and men they covet and envy, who let loose some spirit of anarchic animus upon the world—there's almost a woebegone mythos placed on them in the search for answers."

"Jim Geraghty of National Review wrote he was "worried that a certain segment of America's angry, paranoid, emotionally unstable young men will watch Joaquin Phoenix descending into madness and a desire to get back at society by hurting as many people as possible and exclaim, 'finally, somebody understands me!'"

[Comic-Reader Lad]

OK, actual box office numbers for Joker's first weekend are in. They're even BETTER than the estimates.

Joker has made $96.2 million domestically and $152.2 million foreign for a worldwide total of $248.4 million.

So, Joker did indeed beat Justice League's domestic total of $93.8 million.

Joker handily beat Venom's $80.3 domestic debut, and it will probably beat its domestic total of $213.5 million.


But can Joker really top Venom's global total of $856 million? It's almost 30% of the way there already, but it really seems so out of reach to me.


What are your guesses for Joker's total worldwide box office?

I'm gonna say between $600-650 million.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

A rumor site is already reporting WB wants Phoenix back as Joker now. Whether he's now the new mainstream DCU Joker who will appear later in a Batman movie , who knows. But its a rumor WB saw how good the film did and how good the performance was. (be awesome if Phoenix appears at end of the 2021 Batman film in a laughing scene) .

[Jim Kelly]

British tabloids are having a field day because one of the songs the joker dances to is written and sung by British celebrity peadophile, Gary gliter......

I had no idea that was a Gary Glitter song (I hardly even know who Gary Glitter is or was). To me it's what they play at all the Canucks games to pump up the crowd. Which is how I related to it in the movie. Arthur is getting himself pumped up for his performance later that day. I figure he'd be a hockey fan.

If the Battinson movie were set in the 1990s, it would kind of fit with JOKER. But I don't know about that.

However; I would like to see more period movies from DC. Maybe Superman in the 1950s.

[Blind Wedjat]

Phoenix has recently expressed that he may be down for a sequel too. Sounds so unlike but while I think a one off is best, this is great too.

[Somecrazyaussie]

I had no idea that was a Gary Glitter song (I hardly even know who Gary Glitter is or was). To me it's what they play at all the Canucks games to pump up the crowd. Which is how I related to it in the movie. Arthur is getting himself pumped up for his performance later that day. I figure he'd be a hockey fan.

Rock and Roll Part 2. It is also sampled by The Timelords (The KLF) for their hit "Doctorin The Tardis." Most people change the lyrics so, instead of singing "Rock and Roll" during the chorus, you say "Doctor Who."

[superduperman]

British tabloids are having a field day because one of the songs the joker dances to is written and sung by British celebrity peadophile, Gary gliter......

That alone is reason enough for me to seriously consider not seeing it. It would be one thing if this was some recent event most people in the United States hadn't heard about. But this guy has been convicted something like three times going back 20 years. I live in the US and I've been fully aware of it for at least a decade now. I really don't want to contribute to the royalty check of a pedophile.

[Vakanai]

this version of the Joker won't be a part of any future Batman films. and that will eventually hurt DC.

Why would that hurt DC? They'll just get someone else to play Joker for the next Batman film, I doubt people will be like "No Phoenix Joker? I'm out."

WB is also buying out movie theaters to boost Joker’s sales. I know this, because my theater was nearly empty at 2:30 in the afternoon on a nice Saturday.

Why does one or two showings mean proof that WB is buying out movie theaters? That seems like...an unprofitable tactic to say the least, so I can't imagine them doing that?

[Rincewind]

Why does one or two showings mean proof that WB is buying out movie theaters? That seems like...an unprofitable tactic to say the least, so I can't imagine them doing that?

That part might have been a sarcastic reference to the theories that Disney was buying out theaters for Captain Marvel.

[Lightning Rider]

That alone is reason enough for me to seriously consider not seeing it. It would be one thing if this was some recent event most people in the United States hadn't heard about. But this guy has been convicted something like three times going back 20 years. I live in the US and I've been fully aware of it for at least a decade now. I really don't want to contribute to the royalty check of a pedophile.

It's just the same song that was sung during every baseball commercial and game for years. Very few people in the US know of Gary Glitter, less so of his crimes. Bit extreme to not see the movie off of that.

[csmith25]

If the Battinson movie were set in the 1990s, it would kind of fit with JOKER. But I don't know about that.

However; I would like to see more period movies from DC. Maybe Superman in the 1950s.

i think they could tie into this movie by claiming that someone else was inspired by Arthur Fleck Joker to become the next one going forward. But I can't see that character resurfacing again in a Batfilm of any real type for a few years. Its an over used villain now.
Period movies would be great with Golden Age characters, in my opinion. By doing that, you also bring characters most people do not already have preconceived ideas of character. Lesser known characters can hit very well, if done correctly. i.e. Guardians of the Galaxy

[Star_Jammer]

It's just the same song that was sung during every baseball commercial and game for years. Very few people in the US know of Gary Glitter, less so of his crimes. Bit extreme to not see the movie off of that.

Yup. Never heard of the man until this thread. Have heard the song before, though.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Rock and Roll Part 2. It is also sampled by The Timelords (The KLF) for their hit "Doctorin The Tardis." Most people change the lyrics so, instead of singing "Rock and Roll" during the chorus, you say "Doctor Who."

Back in late 1990's , Sammy Hagar did a version of the song with his band. It became a minor hit then and actually they played it in stadiums to replace the Glitter version. (no idea if they still do)