View Poll Results: How were the 2010s decade (2010-2019) for Clark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotchj View Post
    I enjoyed the new 52!! I always wanted to see SM and WW together as couple, I really enjoyed them being a couple!! It was to bad DC didn't keep them together!!
    Yeah that could've been handled so much better. It started out so good and I'm very happy we got to see it at all.

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    So according to some called Superman fan on another forum, he thinks it's ok to treat Superman like they do (and belittle) in the Supergirl show because she is the star not him..

    So, when Kara is a guest in a Superman show or story, Is ok if she tells him that he is the best and greatest superhero and Earth's champion, and the world doesn't need her because they have him? LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stargazer01 View Post
    So according to some called Superman fan on another forum, he thinks it's ok to treat Superman like they do (and belittle) in the Supergirl show because she is the star not him..

    So, when Kara is a guest in a Superman show or story, Is ok if she tells him that he is the best and greatest superhero and Earth's champion, and the world doesn't need her because they have him? LOL.
    Haha, I used to think the opposite, actually! That it was okay for Batman to make him look like a dummy in that Superman: The Animated Series crossover, because Batman was the guest star; of course you want to emphasize how cool the guest star is!

    Now I'm older and wiser than I was as a kid, and ultimately I've realized it's a false dichotomy. The reality is that writers frequently made Superman look worse and Batman look better for most of the last twenty years, and it has nothing to do with who's guest-starring where.

    As for the last decade, 2010-2019, I've liked a lot, I've disliked a lot. But ultimately Zack Snyder and Grant Morrison have given me two of my favorite permutations of the Man of Steel, so I really don't want to dismiss this decade, even though I'm not feeling super optimistic about the franchise as it is right now.
    "You know the deal, Metropolis. Treat people right or expect a visit from me."

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    I'm not going to use Superfamily for my analogy, so let's just explain it this way.

    On a Batman show, more often than not Batman should be portrayed as better than Robin. If they made a Robin show, Batman should still more often than not be portrayed as better than Robin. That's what you get when you're the hero and the other is derivative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DochaDocha View Post
    I'm not going to use Superfamily for my analogy, so let's just explain it this way.

    On a Batman show, more often than not Batman should be portrayed as better than Robin. If they made a Robin show, Batman should still more often than not be portrayed as better than Robin. That's what you get when you're the hero and the other is derivative.

    Exactly, very well said. I just can't understand why a so called Superman fan can be totally ok with the way Supes is treated in that show. He is freakin Superman. Supergirl wouldn't be here without his success.. Those CW writers should show more respect, but instead they make fun of him..

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    I feel like they could have done things in a way that kept the "who's better?" question unanswered and ambiguous. I know they want to highlight Supergirl and they don't want Superman to overshadow her, but it's possible to do that without making either party look bad. When Spock and other Star Trek TOS crewmembers appeared on TNG, it wasn't about making either crew better than the other. They never tried to imply that Data was better than Spock or vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DochaDocha View Post
    I'm not going to use Superfamily for my analogy, so let's just explain it this way.

    On a Batman show, more often than not Batman should be portrayed as better than Robin. If they made a Robin show, Batman should still more often than not be portrayed as better than Robin. That's what you get when you're the hero and the other is derivative.
    If dick grayson is a grown up nightwing. He can and should be portrayed as an equal or better. Especially, if its his show.if he is a kid robin then whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son View Post
    I feel like they could have done things in a way that kept the "who's better?" question unanswered and ambiguous. I know they want to highlight Supergirl and they don't want Superman to overshadow her, but it's possible to do that without making either party look bad. When Spock and other Star Trek TOS crewmembers appeared on TNG, it wasn't about making either crew better than the other. They never tried to imply that Data was better than Spock or vice versa.
    Exactly. Unfortunately, the CW writers aren't nearly as good, or this show has the agenda that women have to be better than all men. Remember they also told us Mon-El was dumber and weaker than Kara. These writers don't know better. I just don't understand why DC/WB lets them do this to Superman. It's not right. If they wanted me a big Superman to like and support this show, they failed misearably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stargazer01 View Post
    Exactly. Unfortunately, the CW writers aren't nearly as good, or this show has the agenda that women have to be better than all men. Remember they also told us Mon-El was dumber and weaker than Kara. These writers don't know better. I just don't understand why DC/WB lets them do this to Superman. It's not right. If they wanted me a big Superman to like and support this show, they failed misearably.
    At the end of the day DC and it's corporate owners are looking to make money. If they thought that making the Injustice Superman the main universe version, killing Superman off permanently or reducing the character to a laughing stock earns them a bigger profit that is what they will do. And right now having Superman play second fiddle to his cousin and a rich Gotham street fighter is what they think is more profitable. Any damage to the Superman brand as a result is unimportant.

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    I keep up mostly with comics, so let me see.
    We opened the decade with the New 52. I'll take the highly controversial opinion and say that the New 52 was not good to DC as a whole, not just Superman. That being said, Action Comics by Morrison was great. After Morrison AC and Superman -- well, the least we talk about N52 the better.
    Then we have Rebirth, and I absolutely love it. Superman: Lois and Clark, Superman and Action Comics, I had a blast with those. It humanizes Clark, allowed me to have a a Superboy my age and, despite not being perfect that is true, it just brings me joy to read it.
    And then we had Bendis, and I know some of you enjoy him but it doesn't do for me - his AC is unfocused and has been stalling a story that should be a 6 issue into about a year and half, constantly being plagued as a launch pad for every single side project Bendis has, and, while it toys with good ideas, the execution is so decompressed, he meanders so much, that I am just "why should I even care", and that is his least bad Superbook. His Superman is just a mess, his stories make no sense, they are disconnected and boring, he made sure to make the characters act and speak as weirdly as possible, Rogol Zaar is a villain so uncompelling and, after reading the conclusion, I never felt more justified in dropping a run.
    So, for comics, it has been mostly bad with some sparks of good.

    For movies. First off, I'm not really invested in the DCEU so I don't even know what is going on there. I like the DCAMU movies, as fast entertainment and not deep reflexive movies, and I must say I like his portrayal in this universe. Death and Reign are fun movies, despite low budget animation, with Death actually being a good movie on its own.

    TV. Did we really have Superman on TV? Young Justice he is quite a minor character but he is the only member of the trinity not to go corrupt. Supergirl's Superman exists to show that Supergirl is a great character see she is better than Superman, so... a prop, not really Superman. That's all I'm aware in he is in.

    Games. Injustice is fine, a very thin view of Superman as a dictator but I guess it plays well. The Lego games are fun, if we're really digging that deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stargazer01 View Post
    So according to some called Superman fan on another forum, he thinks it's ok to treat Superman like they do (and belittle) in the Supergirl show because she is the star not him..

    So, when Kara is a guest in a Superman show or story, Is ok if she tells him that he is the best and greatest superhero and Earth's champion, and the world doesn't need her because they have him? LOL.
    I remember getting flak for saying Clark would be a little proud that even though it took him and Kara coming to blows, she accomplished a goal she set for herself. Nevermind that he was a hurdle she wanted to surpass, she accomplished a goal that meant a great deal to her and he'd be proud of his cousin, much as an older brother feels proud of their younger sibling for besting them at something, even if they're too proud themselves to admit it. And yes, it's Kara's show. She's allowed to triumph over him, just as any guest star is allowed to either be used to highlight the main character or use them as contrast to sell us on another property. It's all about execution. It's a shared universe where every character can be a protagonist, so what matters most is how someone of Clark's level is beaten, not that he gets beaten.

    From what I understand, it's never stopped and it's gone from "that one time Kara proved she can beat Superman" to "I mean how hard is it to beat Superman, though" which is just not alright. It does undermine the character. Reminds me of that "world of cardboard" every Superfan but me loves because he immediately jobs right after it, which kind of humiliated Clark by having him go all out, punch Darkseid 2-3 times and then get immediately stomped by a Darkseid who seemed no worse for wear.

    I think Clark has the dubious dishonor of, well, being Superman. He's the gold standard, the idea, the face of the genre. He's the bar. He's there to be surpassed by whichever character we want to prove is cool and capable, so every writer has a crosshair on him... That said, The CW is absolutely garbage at portraying characters who don't have their own shows. Hell, I don't think they're very good at portraying any character, so it's more of the same.

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