DC's "new" timeline revealed at NYCC

[DragonPiece]

Again, I'm not against a JSA book set in the past, but I'd also like a modern team with the "kids."

No doubt we’ll get a star girl series with JSA guest stars soon to in with the upcoming tv show

[Hawkgirl_70]

"Just" a book set in the past?!? That would be the best thing that could happen and something I've been hoping for ever since Robinson's Starman and Wagner/Siegle's Sandman Mystery Theatre

i would like this set in the past too.... as long as they don't screw it and stay true to their characters.

[bat39]

Now here's a fun thing to think about.

It seems that Barry and John have gone back in time to a version of the 1940's where the JSA existed. Its potentially the 1940's of the 'final' post-Doomsday Clock timeline or whatever which restores all the erased continuity and characters.

Which makes me wonder...in the time period where Barry and John are interacting with the likes of Jay, Alan, Ted etc. is there also Diana flying around? Or a young Clark secretely operating as Superboy? Or a Bruce Wayne who's yet to lose his parents? Because if you go by the timeline DC has come up with, there should be.

Things will get particularly interesting with regards to Diana, if Barry and John interact with her. When they return to the present, will she somehow recall the encounter, and will this trigger a restoration of her history, similar to what Clark went through in Superman Reborn? Or will she not remember it, but start investigating the anomalies in her own past, which leads to her remembering her WW2 era history?

[Frontier]

No doubt we’ll get a star girl series with JSA guest stars soon to in with the upcoming tv show

So I guess Stargirl will become the new modern JSA book ?

[vasir12]

Now here's a fun thing to think about.

It seems that Barry and John have gone back in time to a version of the 1940's where the JSA existed. Its potentially the 1940's of the 'final' post-Doomsday Clock timeline or whatever which restores all the erased continuity and characters.

Which makes me wonder...in the time period where Barry and John are interacting with the likes of Jay, Alan, Ted etc. is there also Diana flying around? Or a young Clark secretely operating as Superboy? Or a Bruce Wayne who's yet to lose his parents? Because if you go by the timeline DC has come up with, there should be.

Things will get particularly interesting with regards to Diana, if Barry and John interact with her. When they return to the present, will she somehow recall the encounter, and will this trigger a restoration of her history, similar to what Clark went through in Superman Reborn? Or will she not remember it, but start investigating the anomalies in her own past, which leads to her remembering her WW2 era history?

It's entirely possible Diana isn't there just YET. There is still a few changes that need to be made and this multiversal story happening in JL will probably lead to the crisis level shake up that moves everyone to conform to the new timeline.

Which would mean age ups for pretty much everyone. I hope Tim's generation age up too cause Beast Boy and them have been teens for far too long imo.

[Korath]

It's entirely possible Diana isn't there just YET. There is still a few changes that need to be made and this multiversal story happening in JL will probably lead to the crisis level shake up that moves everyone to conform to the new timeline.

Which would mean age ups for pretty much everyone. I hope Tim's generation age up too cause Beast Boy and them have been teens for far too long imo.

If Jason age up, he better have a daughter with Artemis, or I'll rampage !

[Tzigone]

Which would mean age ups for pretty much everyone. I hope Tim's generation age up too cause Beast Boy and them have been teens for far too long imo.

Yes. He and Raven aren't supposed to Tim's generation, much less Damian's. She started out either 18 or 19 (19 first, then 18, I think, but you know comics) when Dick and Donna were 19, and though various machinations has ended up the age she's ended up. Gar was basically halfway between Jason and Dick. But neither of those two will ever be allowed to grow up, it seems. Then, of course, there's Supergirl.. I don't even know what they'll do with her age, being dead and brought back (though I guess the shows lends itself to the idea of her being grown). Similar applies to Barry, I guess. Flash still kills Zoom, so I guess Iris still "dies"?

[king81992]

Yes. He and Raven aren't supposed to Tim's generation, much less Damian's. She started out either 18 or 19 (19 first, then 18, I think, but you know comics) when Dick and Donna were 19, and though various machinations has ended up the age she's ended up. Gar was basically halfway between Jason and Dick. But neither of those two will ever be allowed to grow up, it seems. Then, of course, there's Supergirl.. I don't even know what they'll do with her age, being dead and brought back (though I guess the shows lends itself to the idea of her being grown). Similar applies to Barry, I guess. Flash still kills Zoom, so I guess Iris still "dies"?

I feel like nobody is getting aged up, outside of the 5G line(assuming that each line is its own imprint) and even then, the 5G line might only focus on certain characters.

[_Feely_]

So...

Superman is 60 years old?

[Tzigone]

I feel like nobody is getting aged up, outside of the 5G line(assuming that each line is its own imprint) and even then, the 5G line might only focus on certain characters.

Heck, Tim looks like 23 when Damian arrives in gen 3 (if still 13 when he becomes Robin), so I don't even know what to say. Maybe Tim stories will all be earlier gen 3? We have three years of NTT before generation shift. I'd think they'd want to the the classic team (Jericho may be ditched, though, considering how much he's changed since he died the first time) and that they might get to age.

[bat39]

So...

Superman is 60 years old?

Taken at face value, yeah.

WAY earlier in this thread, I came up with the idea that the Post-COIE Superman, had he aged in real-time following Byrne's reboot, would have been 60 today. But it seems that the present-day in this timeline is 1998 and not 2019, and this timeline's version of Clark became Superman in 1963 and not in the mid-80's so...

[lawman]

Well, first the within-a-generation one
Gen 3 - year 4 Tim becomes Robin and year 14 Damian is 8. So, if Tim is 13 as he originally was when donning the cape, he's already 23 when Damian shows up. Now, this could be an artifact of time decompressing/expanding to fit 60 years when it was originally shorter.
...
Tim would probably not yet be born when Grayson's [parents die] (gen 2, year 3) because he doesn't become Robin until 16 years later. Fine with me, but some won't like.
Black Canary will be 17 when she joins JLA.
Bruce is seemingly 19 when he becomes a hero, so 18 would be fine, but 17 isn't a legal adult yet. Though I guess her identity could be secret.
...

Yeah, all of those caught my attention too. For whatever reason, the ones that involve characters being aged down at their debuts (Bruce, Dinah, possibly Dick) irritate me more than the ones that might be aged up in the present. (Hell, Tim was never really written as a 16-year-old anyway, in terms of capabilities or maturity level!...)

I agree. I guess if everyone on the planet feels that way, and maybe the scientists explain why, it could just become a new normal, but it's a hard sell.

Hear, hear. It's not the sort of thing people can just adapt to. "Sure I remember the Vietnam War, even though I wasn't born yet back then." It brazenly defies our most basic logical instincts.

But the point is, comics aren't real life. So this stuff? It could happen. They wouldn't go insane, because they would never question it, or crash memories against facts. Because we're not supposed to, as readers...

Actually, I think that underscores why it wouldn't work. Because I, as a reader, pretty much always notice this sort of thing... and it drives me up a wall, and often pulls me out of the story. Sure, it's fantasy fiction, but even in fantasy fiction the characters need to be relatable on a human level. This sort of thing would make them much less so.

A JSA series written by Scott Snyder will be set at the beginning of the 1st Gen:

“Show some of the early members' conflicts, show how, at that moment when they were brought together, things were anything but black and white,” Snyder says. “Of course, evil's rising overseas and there's no question about the nature of that darkness, but in terms of the future and how it was written and whether or not good would win or whether or not we would jump into the war as a country, all of that stuff was fraught with conflict and arguments and ambiguity and anxieties. I want to write them raw and brutal and young, when they're not the elder statesmen, when they don't know any better than anybody else [and] when they're actually like young people caught up as the first superhero team in history at a moment of tremendous stakes and confusion."

Wow, that sounds really good. Approaching them on their own terms, without the benefit of hindsight... could make for some really powerful stories.

How come I have this sinking feeling that exploring "untold" aspects about the JSA means throwing out their origin story and overwriting years of work from such writers as Fox, Kanigher, Conway, Thomas, Robinson, Goyer and Johns? As much as I love DC's Golden Age and the JSA I might just have to sit this one out.

I fervently hope it doesn't mean that. I can see the origin being tweaked a bit, but hopefully not changed entirely, and beyond that there are few enough stories from the early days (given the publishing frequency back then) that there's plenty of room to interpolate new ones. Hell, that's pretty much what Roy Thomas himself was doing throughout the entire run of All-Star Squadron... just imagine the same approach with a modern sensibility, better dialogue, and a bit less ex post facto continuity porn.

[Robanker]

So I guess Stargirl will become the new modern JSA book ?

I'll take it. Courtney is a great character.

[Frontier]

I'll take it. Courtney is a great character.

I agree. Just feel like it would be a very packed solo book .

[scary harpy]

So I guess Stargirl will become the new modern JSA book ?

I'll take it. Courtney is a great character.

I agree. Just feel like it would be a very packed solo book .

okay, i'll bite.

Where's the news about this modern JSA book?