Rank the Thor's

[Phoenixx9]

Jane Thor herself is ... fine (I would've preferred Tarene ... cuz she's literally Thorgirl), but Aaron basically pulled his pants down and **** all over Thor's canon and the character to establish her as the bestest which was completely unnecessary and not something I'd like to see from any writer really.

But like SERIOUSLY. TARENE:

So who is this Tho Girl? How is she related? Does she carry Mjolnir?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

So who is this Tho Girl? How is she related? Does she carry Mjolnir?

She was a cosmic entity born to help push life to the next 'state' of evolution, IIRC.

Thanos (a clone) blew up her homeworld however, and she came to Thor/Asgard for help. After that, she turned herself into an Asgardian Goddess cuz she can do that, and is now physically an Asgardian) and helped Thor out a few times against Gladiator, and Loki. Then during the fight with Surtur she gave up most of her cosmic power to stop him and when Odin died she lost the rest of it, but still kept her 'Thor Girl' boost.

THEN during Fear Itself, she was thought to be in league with the Worthy was tortured by the US Government, ended up fighting Kuurth (only to get attacked by the heroes cuz they thought she was an enemy) and long story short; at the end of the story-arc she got her cosmic powers back and left Earth.

Also yes, she has her own hammer.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

So basically, there was already a 'female' Thor running around this side of the 2010's, and it would've been cool to see her get pushed more.

[Harbinger19]

I see, thanks Arbiter and C’thulhu.

[Tomzilla]

I've greatly enjoyed Jason Aaron's Thor run, but the criticisms against it, particularly those raised in this thread, have merit.


As for what Phoenix King Thor has done:
+ He is the host of the Phoenix Force. Phoenix wielders vary power-to-power, but this is All-Father Thor. Phoenix King is basically a more powerful version of Odin wielding the Phoenix Force, which amplifies his power dramatically.
+ Ultimately bested a nigh-omnipotent Doom. Doom at this point has mastered and/or become the Starbrand, the Iron Fist, the Spirit of Vengeance, and the Sorcerer Supreme -- on top of being Doom. To quote Doom himself: "You have nothing, godlings! For you face the most powerful Doom that has ever existed."
+ Whether that statement is taken as hyperbole or not, Doom nonetheless toyed with Old King Thor and Old Man Logan.

That may not be on Rune King Thor's level, but it's still noteworthy.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Compared to the Doom that literally reshaped reality by harnessing the power of Pre-Reton MM ... that's probably hyperbole, yea.

[Tomzilla]

Compared to the Doom that literally reshaped reality by harnessing the power of Pre-Reton MM ... that's probably hyperbole, yea.

In Doom's defense, all that power was retconned. So, of course, he wouldn't remember having it.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

In Doom's defense, all that power was retconned. So, of course, he wouldn't remember having it.

Not Omnipotent then is he ?!

YOU FAIL AGAIN DOOM !

[Goldenbane]

It's nothing to do with rules or anything. Just sort of a shared opinion.

For me personally, there are probably too many small factors to describe in detail, so I'll keep it to my broader complaints.

1: Jane Thor. It has nothing to do with her being a woman or anything else like that. Nothing inherently wrong with Foster being worthy. It could have been a very interesting story to tell in my opinion. Buuuut Aaron seemingly went out of his way to put the former Odinson down in order to make Jane come off well by comparison. She didn't seem to have any struggles (which is always a touch boring imo) and very early on was performing feats that literally had Odinson saying things on panel like "How is she doing that? I could NEVER do that!". Putting down Odinson and giving her no real adversity or learning curve irked me. Mileage may vary.

2: Thor becoming unworthy in the first place just because Fury told him "Gor was right" felt a little forced. He literally had just overcome the Gor problem and it felt weird for that to affect him so. I might be spacing on the timeline of events here - been a while since I've read that stuff.

3: Internal consistency with the Thor characters in general. Everything from narration, feats and even some hard/soft reboots. Aaron ignored and recreated MANY ideas and aspects of Mjolnir to the point where Odin couldn't lift the darn thing, a sentient galaxy sized lightning storm was living in it etc. And get this - Jane literally kills/destroys Mjolnir by tossing it into the sun at one point. The freaking sun. Mjolnir has been in MULTIPLE stars many times in it's history - including TWICE as written by Aaron himself! It's never had a scratch. But then it gets destroyed? Just weird. He had to ignore a looot of other Mjolnir related history as well in regards to its various forgings and destructions in history.

These are just a few of my issues, but I hope it gets the point across.

Along with many of the reasons you pointed out, a big reason why I despised Jane, was she was so damned unlikable and unheroic...despite everyone drooling like morongs and claiming she was all that and a bag of chips. Maybe I'm completely in the dark here, but last I saw Jane and Thor have a relationship, they were considered very good friends. Jane was helping Thor find the missing Asgardians, among other things (this was around the Dark Avengers stuff, when I last read) so unless something SERIOUSLY changed that I missed, there was NO reason for Jane to NOT tell Thor she had his hammer (yes, I'm calling him Thor, not Odinson. Thor is his f***ing name whether Aaron believes it or not. He's an idiot, and I don't care about his opinion). All they needed to do was have Jane get the hammer, transform, and immediately go tell Thor. Then Thor would explain he was unworthy and she had his blessing to use HIS weapon as she saw fit. She'd say that she'd carry on in his name and fight evil...and Thor might even tell her to go ahead and literally use his name if she wants...whatever. That would have been no big deal, would have been in character for both of them, and we could have gotten to the adventures with Jane. Maybe they could have even spent an issue or two with Thor showing/telling her how to use the hammer and give her tips on how to fight (she was a f***ing nurse/doctor with ZERO experience). We could have gotten scenes where Thor tells Jane the proper way to throw the hammer...and Jane might fail or something the first time...then just be awesome the second time and the two of them could laugh and share a joke or something and so on and so forth, until Jane was ready to go out there and kick some butt. We got none of that.

Aaron had to do this lame mystery...even though the overwhelming vast majority of fans, upon seeing the new Thor said "It's either Sif, Valkyrie, or Jane Foster...and it's probably Jane Foster" right away. She selfishly kept the hammer all for herself because she was sick and didn't tell her beloved good friend at all! She proceeded to absolutely easily dominate and crush some of Thor's toughest foes...sometimes with just a single punch! All with the mighty training and combat hardened experience she had from...being a nurse...NO WAIT...Doctor. She instantly knew all of the abilities of the hammer, and even changed the inscription on the hammer in an extremely selfish manner (so, I guess if a man gets the hammer, he's allowed to zap out the "s" in "Whoever finds this hammer if she be worthy, shall have the power of Thor?). Even after the lame mystery was solved, Jane acted like a selfish, entitled jerk. She'd run her mouth off to Thor, about plans and strategies that she had that were so much better and more clever than his. Aaron made up the crap about the hammer being sentient, even though it had NEVER been before (Odin originally used the hammer himself, by the way, several times!). Lots of identity politics and agenda stuff that didn't need to be in a fun superhero story.

And before anyone tries to rip me that "Well, Eric Masterson was able to fight and use the hammer powers just fine, and you aren't complaining about that, bigot!" Eric shared a body, spirit (kinda) and mind (kinda) with Thor for a good long while. He learned how to fight and use Thor's abilities that way. When Thor was later "banished" to the deepest recesses of Eric's mind (thus introducing the Masterson Thor), Eric...did a good job with the powers...but really kinda sucked when fighting. He got his head handed to him time and time again, and NEVER beat anyone with one punch! Even a D-lister like Ulik got the drop on him in their first encounter! Jane never dealt with any of this. She never suffered (Oh nos, she had cancer! Except when she was in Thor form so...who gives a damn?) and she never struggled. Amusingly, the one that Marvel (Aaron) fawned over being the "most worthy of all!" to have the name, hammer, and powers, was by far the least worthy and most insufferable.

[Nik Hasta]

Well, I see that this thread is going to cool and healthy places.

[The Arbiter]

Well, I see that this thread is going to cool and healthy places.

Have you followed the Aaron run?

[The Arbiter]

Well, I see that this thread is going to cool and healthy places.

Also, on an unrelated note, a poster asked us to explain why we've reached our opinions and we answered. Seems ok to me?

[The Drunkard Kid]

I just want to know what possession of The Thor are we supposed to be ranking?

[Desmark]

Forget Ulik even Shatterfist was able to hammer Masterson due to him being psyched out and a geriatric had to save him and Spider Man had him on the ropes when they clashed.

[Nik Hasta]

Have you followed the Aaron run?

No, I don't read superhero comics very much.

Also, on an unrelated note, a poster asked us to explain why we've reached our opinions and we answered. Seems ok to me?

I was more commenting on how the thread seemed be going in the direction of people giving out about Jane Thor, again, in increasingly unpleasant tones. I say "again" because this is definitely not the first time this has happened.

As I say, I haven't read the comics myself and I don't have any intention of doing so. I more am concerned that this simply isn't the forum for such a thing, there are boards for discussions of runs and characterisation in this site, and I generally find the level of vitriol directed at the character a bit much.

We have a rule against spite threads and, while that clearly wasn't your intention, you have created what feels like a platform for people to dunk on a specific character. A character that other people might have enjoyed.

It's not a good look and I would advise my fellow posters not to get carried away with expressing their displeasure at the concepts and execution of Jane Thor.