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    Default Bigger threat to the Marvel univers?

    Both Doctor Doom and Magneto have fought various heroes over the years. Both are considered to tier a list villains. So which one is a bigger threat to the Marvel Universe as a whole? Which one would have a better chance of rocking the world on its heels?
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    Doctor Doom HAS rocked the world to the heels -- Emperor Doom, Secret Wars 2015, that time he joyrode on the Silver Surfboard. Doom likewise will always be Dictator of Latveria and he has protected, defended, and saved his homeland many times.

    Magneto as a terrorist is a great threat definitely. Whether it's Asteroid M in Fatal Attractions, extorting the UN to give him Genosha. He's done it but he's never really held on to his advantages, or improved it or lasted. He's not really improved his lot or done as much good and evil as Victor has. As Cullen Bunn's Magneto notes, his fate is to be the mutant boogeyman whose example terrifies humans and vicariously thrills mutants as a power fantasy of oppressed defending themselves. Doom saved the Multiverse from Incursions while Magneto tried and failed, albeit valiantly and courageously gave his all and more, dying in defense of all people, humans and mutants. So I think Doom has the better batting average.

    Ultimately both are interesting and great characters. But I think at the basic level, Doom is about a guy who gets power and wants more and more, and who believes in using that power, while Magneto wants power for the benefit of other people. Magneto at heart is maybe a more decent individual than Doom.

    On the other hand, I think you can say that Magneto has maybe killed more US Civilians than Doom has. Most of the people Doom oppresses are in Europe and the only Americans he torments are the FF and the Avengers when he's bored. From the point of view of Marvel USA, Magneto is maybe the greater threat than Doom is. Doom is a global-cosmic threat, whose fights involve the FF and the Avengers and spill on to news, but otherwise doesn't affect the population much, whereas Magneto's actions are personal and in-your-face.

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    Magneto is less of a villain these days if you ignore AvX. He's off in the X-men's corner and he's not written like he was decades ago
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    As earth based villains go, doom is without equal

    He's been most powerful being in the universe (effectively) twice

    And he genuinely believes he's right and justified

    A villain with few peers and no earth based equal

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    is Mephisto not an "Earth-Based" villain?
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    Doom, this isn't even a question.

    Doom saved the multiverse when Magneto could just barely hold it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabare View Post
    is Mephisto not an "Earth-Based" villain?
    No, no he isn't, just as dormammu isn't and nightmare isn't, he might visit, he might work there sometimes, but that not nearly the same thing
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    Doom has really only one peer in Thanos. Both Secret Wars have proven Doom can be a threat to the entire universe ... rocking JUST the earth is chump change by comparison.

    Magneto is an A list villain, but he's not in Dooms league as far as what he's accomplished.

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    Magneto could reverse the magnetic poles of the Earth if he wanted to, causing world wide destruction and catastrophe in mere moments. And all it would take is for him to do it is either give up all hope on humanity/mutant kind, or become bat sh*t crazy, and then thinking really hard.

    So in terms of who potentially posses more of a threat between Doom and Magneto the answer will always be Magneto.

    If we are asking who is more Likely to be a bigger threat to the Marvel Universe the answer would be Doom. Since he is more of a clear cut villain, while Magneto is a villain more so due to necessity not necessarily by choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    Magneto could reverse the magnetic poles of the Earth if he wanted to, causing world wide destruction and catastrophe in mere moments. And all it would take is for him to do it is either give up all hope on humanity/mutant kind, or become bat sh*t crazy, and then thinking really hard.

    So in terms of who potentially posses more of a threat between Doom and Magneto the answer will always be Magneto.

    If we are asking who is more Likely to be a bigger threat to the Marvel Universe the answer would be Doom. Since he is more of a clear cut villain, while Magneto is a villain more so due to necessity not necessarily by choice.
    Again, when you talk who is POTENTIALLY more of a threat Doom has literally become the most powerful being in the entire universe twice. No one, aside from maybe Thanos, has more POTENTIAL of being a threat than Doom. As powerful as Magneto is, his BEST pales compared to Dooms best.

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    Put it like this...they get everyone's attention everytime they make a move. United Nations is so scared of Magneto they created the Magneto Protocols..something that made things 20x worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Again, when you talk who is POTENTIALLY more of a threat Doom has literally become the most powerful being in the entire universe twice. No one, aside from maybe Thanos, has more POTENTIAL of being a threat than Doom. As powerful as Magneto is, his BEST pales compared to Dooms best.
    WHOA..HOLD ON..Doom has went to Magneto in those SUPER HARD moments..during Onslaught and the Secret Wars. Magneto has never focused or had any designs on being the ruler of the universe..even when he had the M'Kraan crystal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Again, when you talk who is POTENTIALLY more of a threat Doom has literally become the most powerful being in the entire universe twice. No one, aside from maybe Thanos, has more POTENTIAL of being a threat than Doom. As powerful as Magneto is, his BEST pales compared to Dooms best.
    Each time Doom became the most powerful being in the universe it took detailed planning, other people/character involvement, and several resources available to him at the ready.

    Magneto just has to think really hard at something and the whole earth would be screwed. He wouldn't even need to focus on Earth's Magnetic field. He could simply just concentrate on a near by Astroid directed towards the earth at high speeds and the end. All of which would/could be done in moments.

    Dooms the better villain but Magneto is more of a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    Each time Doom became the most powerful being in the universe it took detailed planning, other people/character involvement, and several resources available to him at the ready.

    Magneto just has to think really hard at something and the whole earth would be screwed. He wouldn't even need to focus on Earth's Magnetic field. He could simply just concentrate on a near by Astroid directed towards the earth at high speeds and the end. All of which would/could be done in moments.

    Dooms the better villain but Magneto is more of a threat.
    Yep..remember when Kitty Pryde was abandoned by the X men in that space bullet light years away. Magneto got sick of her being lost and concentrated and found the bullet and brought her back to earth. That's incredible will power. Not even Silver Surfer can find her that fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleDiMera View Post
    Yep..remember when Kitty Pryde was abandoned by the X men in that space bullet light years away. Magneto got sick of her being lost and concentrated and found the bullet and brought her back to earth. That's incredible will power. Not even Silver Surfer can find her that fast.
    Yeah that "feat" alone just shows that Magneto's patients with humans, aliens, and whoever else is pretty incredible. Since, in any instant he could end everything and he choose's not to.

    I mean really think about it...if he could pull a space bullet light years away to earth, why not the Moon? Larger in mass sure but the will, power, and control to pull that Giant Bullet out of space to earth so far away a feat like throwing the moon into the earth would still be logically feasible in the context of the character in the MU.
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