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    Quote Originally Posted by kilderkin View Post
    Yes it did take those things

    Which is why he's so threatening

    Because he's always doing them

    For all his power and what he might do, Magneto hasnt, dooms been the universe (if not more) most powerful being

    No other earth villain even compares
    Doom only has one trick; to steal power from others while speaking in the third person. He has taken over the world and failed at the follow through. In that sense, he’s a paper tiger. Like Osborn, you can just wait him out. Magneto isn’t out to rule the world or get ahold of a cosmic cube. He knows his enemy and has the ability to face them as-is. He wouldn’t plot to take down Doom. But the latter has prepared to fight Magneto. Why would the boogeyman need to do that? Again, the X-men have moved closer to Magneto ‘s way of thinking. These were the individuals responsible for his past defeats. This was one of his goals; being in a position to steer mutant kind. He has what he wants. Doom just got pants-d on tv.

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    So far the argument for Doctor Doom being more of threat can be compared to a box meant to hold beads but it has a hole at the bottom. Sure you will get some of the beads home with you but you will loose most of them on the way there.

    Ergo.....the argument is dependent on to many factors for Doom to be a threat compared to someone who is perpetually a threat.

    So .....

    IF Doom has the Money and Time he COULD be a threat.

    IF Doom has access to Cosmic Being/IF a Cosmic Being exist he COULD be a threat.

    IF everything goes according to Doom's plan he COULD be a threat.

    IF Doom has all the right tools he COULD be a threat.

    so on and so on.

    For Doom to even be a threat he needs multiple other things beyond him. In the case of Magneto the only thing stopping him from taking over earth or to some extent the universe is his own twisted sense of morality. Ergo Magneto is the only thing stoping Magneto.

    Lets not forget or IGNORE the fact that both Luke Cage and Squirrel Girl rolled up on an unprepared Doctor Doom and slapped him around like an out of line nightwalker and went about their merry way at one point. From my recollection no one has ever engaged Magneto in a physical confrontation without a intense fight and even upon winning, without leaving the battle without a innate fear and/or respect for the man's power/will.
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    Doom.

    He's beaten the X Men, Excalibur and the Avengers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cronus View Post
    Doom.

    He's beaten the X Men, Excalibur and the Avengers.
    So has Magneto. Magneto owned Thor to such a degree in X Men vs Avengers #4 that I still laugh about it till this very day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    You are aware that Krakoa is a Charles Xavier project and Magneto is his junior partner right? It's Xavier calling the shots for the most part in that story.

    The mutants are not Magneto's tribe, and certainly not the X-Men.
    Xavier isnt telling Magneto what to do and you know that because you've read the story. Magneto is the one with the law defining quotes. He called them gods..and basically everyone from Xavier to Storm and Jean are following his line of thinking. This is what he wanted for years. In the Savage Land. Magneto War. Avalon. Genosha. He's not the one changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilderkin View Post
    In all honesty I find it difficult to believe that no one cares, hes the one villain from earth that the heroes speak of like a bogeyman

    Magneto, for all his power, just doesn't have that level of fear from them

    Doom is much more than just the power hecwrilds, not intelligence, science and magic, he is the threat of a villain who absolutely believes he can and will win against you

    No one else from earth has that level of threat
    You cant seriously believe that..lol. Magneto threatened everyone in Magneto War and there wasnt a damn thing Reed Richards, Doom, Thor, Tony Stark, or Xavier could do about it. Even in the aftermath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    So far the argument for Doctor Doom being more of threat can be compared to a box meant to hold beads but it has a hole at the bottom. Sure you will get some of the beads home with you but you will loose most of them on the way there.

    Ergo.....the argument is dependent on to many factors for Doom to be a threat compared to someone who is perpetually a threat.

    So .....

    IF Doom has the Money and Time he COULD be a threat.

    IF Doom has access to Cosmic Being/IF a Cosmic Being exist he COULD be a threat.

    IF everything goes according to Doom's plan he COULD be a threat.

    IF Doom has all the right tools he COULD be a threat.

    so on and so on.

    For Doom to even be a threat he needs multiple other things beyond him. In the case of Magneto the only thing stopping him from taking over earth or to some extent the universe is his own twisted sense of morality. Ergo Magneto is the only thing stoping Magneto.

    Lets not forget or IGNORE the fact that both Luke Cage and Squirrel Girl rolled up on an unprepared Doctor Doom and slapped him around like an out of line nightwalker and went about their merry way at one point. From my recollection no one has ever engaged Magneto in a physical confrontation without a intense fight and even upon winning, without leaving the battle without a innate fear and/or respect for the man's power/will.
    Doom is a threat all on his own. He's as smart as Reed Richards, and arguably the second most powerful sorcerer on the planet. How is that not a threat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    Doom only has one trick; to steal power from others while speaking in the third person. He has taken over the world and failed at the follow through. In that sense, he’s a paper tiger. Like Osborn, you can just wait him out. Magneto isn’t out to rule the world or get ahold of a cosmic cube. He knows his enemy and has the ability to face them as-is. He wouldn’t plot to take down Doom. But the latter has prepared to fight Magneto. Why would the boogeyman need to do that? Again, the X-men have moved closer to Magneto ‘s way of thinking. These were the individuals responsible for his past defeats. This was one of his goals; being in a position to steer mutant kind. He has what he wants. Doom just got pants-d on tv.
    Magneto probably wouldn't go into a fight with Doom ... and that's why Doom would win. Like he has in the past

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Magneto probably wouldn't go into a fight with Doom ... and that's why Doom would win. Like he has in the past
    In the past, they had Doom.get an advantage, Magneto came back and Doom lost his memory. Then they zapped each other to learn about each other's past. Then Doom reached out to Magneto in Secret Wars when he was struggling...then he reached out to Magneto again when Onslaught became too powerful. Then Magneto tried to kill Doom in Children's Crusade and they both walked away again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Doom is a threat all on his own. He's as smart as Reed Richards, and arguably the second most powerful sorcerer on the planet. How is that not a threat?
    We are talking in terms of who is the greater threat all on their own. By the simple nature of intelligence being the smartest person in the room or in the world means absolutely nothing without the tools or resources to display said intelligence. Magneto is also a proved genius on top of being a threat just by existing due to his innate mutant powers. Thereby giving Magneto a perpetual edge on Doom at ALL times.

    Even with his sorcery abilities the use of them are hardly, if ever, a large factor when dealing with him. Because again characters such as Luke Cage, Squirrel Girl, and Ant-Man have all rolled up on Doom while he was ill prepared and beat him. Each dealing a considerable level of embarrassment while doing so. When just about anyone has done the same to Magneto they left the battle feeling lucky that they survived, whether if it ended it victory or defeat.

    Thats not hubris, my character verses your character logic, or anything of the sort. That is just the facts of everything I have read and seen so far in the actual comics/cannon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleDiMera View Post
    In the past, they had Doom.get an advantage, Magneto came back and Doom lost his memory. Then they zapped each other to learn about each other's past. Then Doom reached out to Magneto in Secret Wars when he was struggling...then he reached out to Magneto again when Onslaught became too powerful. Then Magneto tried to kill Doom in Children's Crusade and they both walked away again.
    Give Doom time to prepare, and he can beat just about anyone. In Magnetos case it wasn't even really a fight. Magneto was frankly more a way for him to fight boredom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    We are talking in terms of who is the greater threat all on their own. By the simple nature of intelligence being the smartest person in the room or in the world means absolutely nothing without the tools or resources to display said intelligence. Magneto is also a proved genius on top of being a threat just by existing due to his innate mutant powers. Thereby giving Magneto a perpetual edge on Doom at ALL times.

    Even with his sorcery abilities the use of them are hardly, if ever, a large factor when dealing with him. Because again characters such as Luke Cage, Squirrel Girl, and Ant-Man have all rolled up on Doom while he was ill prepared and beat him. Each dealing a considerable level of embarrassment while doing so. When just about anyone has done the same to Magneto they left the battle feeling lucky that they survived, whether if it ended it victory or defeat.

    Thats not hubris, my character verses your character logic, or anything of the sort. That is just the facts of everything I have read and seen so far in the actual comics/cannon.
    If you honestly believe that Doom needs multiple other things beyond him to be a threat, then you obviously haven't read a whole lot of actual comics/cannon revolving Doom. Even without any outside assistance (including the offense and defensive abilities of his armor), he's can give Dr. Strange a run for his money.

    But that aside, the thread does not specify who is the greater threat on their own... it asks who is the greater threat. And marvel has done a pretty good job establishing that Doom is probably the biggest threat not only on earth but in the entire universe. He literally has become the most powerful being in the universe multiple times. His loses against Luke Cage or Ant-Man are more than balanced out by wins against Galactus or the Beyonders. Aside from maybe Thanos, he is the most dangerous being in the freaking universe. And the books treat him as such. Not that Magneto isn't likewise a very very credible villain... but Doom has always been potrayed in marvel as the top of the mountain. Been that way for a very very long time, and probably won't change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Magneto probably wouldn't go into a fight with Doom ... and that's why Doom would win. Like he has in the past
    an elephant wouldn't go into a fight with an ant...and that's why the ant would win. that's what you sound like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    an elephant wouldn't go into a fight with an ant...and that's why the ant would win. that's what you sound like.
    No, I'm saying a prepped Doom can freaking beat Galactus and the Beyonders. Therefore he can beat Magneto, and almost anyone else. He along with Thanos are the 2 most dangerous being in the universe. They have the feats to back it up. Doesn't diminish Magneto in any way, but a prepped Doom is potentially on a whole other level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Doom is a threat all on his own. He's as smart as Reed Richards, and arguably the second most powerful sorcerer on the planet. How is that not a threat?
    he's a cheat. and there is a personal cost to abusing sorcery. that's why the Hood was able to just roll up and burn his face off. it's why Ant-Man was able to defeat him. he's someone who needs the element of surprise. Magneto, on the other hand, wants you to see him coming. he wouldn't plot for months to foment dissent in Wakanda just so he could steal from them. but he has that ability to plan long-term. he did recruit a SHIELD agent and let himself be arrested simply to make a statement; while crashing a helicarrier and having he marauders engage in a little wholesale slaughter. Magneto's dangerous because he's active. a living weapon doesn't need much preparation. his mission is simple; to kill mutantkind's enemies. and he has an impressive body count. Doom threatens people once or twice a year. and there are rarely permanent casualties or consequences. he's forgettable. they aren't discussing Doom at the U.N.

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