Would you still consider Punisher to be a Spider-Man character?

[PCN24454]

Punisher started out as a recurring antagonist, not necessarily villain, in the Amazing series. Eventually, he got popular enough to warrant his own series. At this point, there are many serious that not only don’t have Spider-Man in it, but the greater Marvel Universe as well.

Does he still count as a Spider-Man character by this point?

[Agent Z]

He's evolved into his own character. I can't really call him a Spider-Man character any more than I'd call Black Panther a Fantastic Four character.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Monica Rambeau isn't considered a Spider-Man character despite debuting in an ASM Annual either.

So I don't know why we want dibs on Frank Castle.

[Hybrid]

A better question is:

Would Cloak & Dagger be considered Spider-Man characters?

I feel like they've evolved to their own, yet they maintain a stronger connection to the Spider-Man side since their debut than Frank.

[Yvonmukluk]

A better question is:

Would Cloak & Dagger be considered Spider-Man characters?

I feel like they've evolved to their own, yet they maintain a stronger connection to the Spider-Man side since their debut than Frank.

Well like Frank they've had their own comics outside Spidey (which while not having Frank's longeivity, still have been fairly well received), and even their own TV series, entirely separate from Peter. They stand on their own at this point, just like Frank.

[Celgress]

He's evolved into his own character. I can't really call him a Spider-Man character anymore than I'd call Black Panther a Fantastic Four character.

This, Punisher is (rightly) considered his own thing by most fans now.

[Mister Mets]

He is both his own thing and a character who works as part of the Spider-Man mythos. He has an interesting dynamic with the character.

Monica Rambeau isn't considered a Spider-Man character despite debuting in an ASM Annual either.

So I don't know why we want dibs on Frank Castle.

A distinction is that there haven't been that many follow-up Spider-Man stories with Monica Rambeau.

There have been a lot of Spider-Man/ Punisher encounters after the first appearance.
Amazing Spider-Man #134-135
Amazing Spider-Man #161-162
Amazing Spider-Man #174-175
Amazing Spider-Man #201-202
Amazing Spider-Man Annual #15
Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #83-85
Amazing Spider-Man #330-331
Amazing Spider-Man #353-358
Spider-Man #32-34
Amazing Spider-Man #577
Spider-Man VS The Punisher one-shot
Spectacular Spider-Man #141-143
Spectacular Spider-Man #1,000
Spider-Man/ Punisher: Family Plot
Spider-Man/ Punisher/ Sabertooth: Designer Drugs
Giant-Sized Spider-Man #4
Avenging Spider-Man #6 (Crossover with Punisher and Daredevil)

There are more crossovers as well as pivotal encounters in event books (Punisher saving Spider-Man in Civil War) and Spider-Man's guest apperances in the Punisher's title.)

[Lukmendes]

Thankfully, no, he became his own thing, which is better for him since he's better off not being too dependant on other characters to be around.

[Chris0013]

No. Frank is his own thing.

I think some characters 'get stuck' being some big names character.

[TheRay]

I'd call Black Panther a Fantastic Four character.

If we were writing a villain Black Panther story I would call him a Fantastic Four character.

[ngroove]

If we were writing a villain Black Panther story I would call him a Fantastic Four character.

Black Panther, Inhumans, and most notably Silver Surfer, although each has their notable independent marks as franchises of their own right in their own corners of Marvel, yes, I'd still say they are Fantastic Four characters.

[TheRay]

Black Panther, Inhumans, and most notably Silver Surfer, although each has their notable independent marks as franchises of their own right in their own corners of Marvel, yes, I'd still say they are Fantastic Four characters.

I agree with you to a point. It’s difficult for me to say definitively when it comes to two hero characters, meaning usually comic book heroes are their own characters and don’t belong elsewhere.

[KurtW95]

No though I do still consider Wilson Fisk as such.

[ngroove]

There was a time he regularly and welcomed-ly appeared and guested on Spider-Man, but that was from the early seventies until the mid nineties.

Nowadays, I really cannot recall the last time he guested on a Spider-Title the past twenty years.

[Digifiend]

I must admit, it feels odd seeing him in the second OP for the 90s cartoon.