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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretWarrior View Post
    [Theoretically] I can drive Obama's car or wear his shoes or sit at his desk. Doesn't make me Obama.

    Wielding the power of Thor may make you the God of Thunder. Doesn't make you Thor.

    Or are you saying Thor Odinson doesn't have a name outside of the title "Thor"?

    I didn't want to get into the Thor comment here since that seem more suiteable for marvel's thread, but Thor name wasn't originally Thor from what I've read, it's Odinson. It's the hammer that references that you're labeled as Thor once you're found worthy of wielding it. So I think that's the common misconception, people assume Thor was originally his birthname like it's original norse counterpart, when it's not.

    I personally have no problem with her being named Thor. I know three people in my same department that shares my name, let alone all the Roberts on my own team, so having two Thor's isn't a big deal really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo619 View Post
    I didn't want to get into the Thor comment here since that seem more suiteable for marvel's thread, but Thor name wasn't originally Thor from what I've read, it's Odinson. It's the hammer that references that you're labeled as Thor once you're found worthy of wielding it. So I think that's the common misconception, people assume Thor was originally his birthname like it's original norse counterpart, when it's not.

    I personally have no problem with her being named Thor. I know three people in my same department that shares my name, let alone all the Roberts on my own team, so having two Thor's isn't a big deal really.
    I am not norse story expert. Isn't the guy used to be worshipped. I am pretty sure. That's his name. I am a hindu. I would be pretty pissed if they started treating the name "ram" as some kind of title. DC even has him as a character. Two people can have same name. But, thor is thor no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo619 View Post
    I didn't want to get into the Thor comment here since that seem more suiteable for marvel's thread, but Thor name wasn't originally Thor from what I've read, it's Odinson. It's the hammer that references that you're labeled as Thor once you're found worthy of wielding it. So I think that's the common misconception, people assume Thor was originally his birthname like it's original norse counterpart, when it's not.

    I personally have no problem with her being named Thor. I know three people in my same department that shares my name, let alone all the Roberts on my own team, so having two Thor's isn't a big deal really.
    Well, no, the inscription is that if you are worthy you shall have the power of Thor, not that you will actually be Thor once you wield it.

    Thor has always been his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manwhohaseverything View Post
    I am not norse story expert. Isn't the guy used to be worshipped. I am pretty sure. That's his name. I am a hindu. I would be pretty pissed if they started treating the name "ram" as some kind of title. DC even has him as a character. Two people can have same name. But, thor is thor no matter what.

    Again, this isn't a direct norse representation. It's Norse influence yes, but it's the MU version of asgardians. And in the MU version of Norse, Thor's name isn't Thor, it's Odinson. His name becomes Thor when he's granted the power of the hammer, well that's what I've read anyway.
    People may be upset that Thor isn't his name in the MU universe, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not his name in the MU universe. And again, even if it was, two people can have the same name. If Thor was Thor, another person can be named Thor, just like many people share my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo619 View Post
    Again, this isn't Norse. It's Norse influence yes, but it's the MU version of asgardians. And in the MU version of Norse, Thor's name isn't Thor, it's Odinson. His name becomes Thor when he's granted the power of the hammer, well that's what I've read anyway.
    People may be upset that Thor isn't his name in the MU universe, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not his name in the MU universe. And again, even if it was, two people can have the same name. If Thor was Thor, another person can be named Thor, just like many people share my name.
    Aaron's actual run does not support this. He was called Thor before he could actually wield the hammer.

    And it wasn't even the idea of two people sharing a name. Jane basically took the name while Thor couldn't use his own name while she was flying around with Mjolnir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Well, no, the inscription is that if you are worthy you shall have the power of Thor, not that you will actually be Thor once you wield it.

    Thor has always been his name.
    Exactly. Idk why that's so hard for people to understand. I guess it's because Thor has been turned into a superhero instead of remaining a pagan deity, so that's why they feel they can treat his name like the others. Yes, it did happen in the past with Eric Masterson, but guess what? He changed it because he was NOT Thor, and he said he didn't want to ride the coattails of someone else's name. My best guess as to the whole reason Jason Aaron INSISTED she was "Thor" was that he and everybody else knew that a Mjolnir-wielding Jane Foster led book would not have the same appeal as it would if they actually called the book "Thor" and referred to her as the new "Thor" when the actual Thor was out of commission, and they would not have a Thor book on the market at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leo619 View Post
    Again, this isn't a direct norse representation. It's Norse influence yes, but it's the MU version of asgardians. And in the MU version of Norse, Thor's name isn't Thor, it's Odinson. His name becomes Thor when he's granted the power of the hammer, well that's what I've read anyway.
    People may be upset that Thor isn't his name in the MU universe, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not his name in the MU universe. And again, even if it was, two people can have the same name. If Thor was Thor, another person can be named Thor, just like many people share my name.
    I have no problem with another person having the same name. That doesn't mean the original guy ceases to be named that. They can say its norse influence. But, its still pretty iffy to me. I mean, they have odin, loki... Etc and others. Then again, it's just religion. As long as it isn't mean spirited and not being selective . I wouldn't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Aaron's actual run does not support this. He was called Thor before he could actually wield the hammer.

    And it wasn't even the idea of two people sharing a name. Jane basically took the name while Thor couldn't use his own name while she was flying around with Mjolnir.
    Well that leads to confliction, but that's not surprising seeing as writers often override each other so.


    Actually it was the idea of two people sharing the same name, because when Jane transforms into Thor, she's no longer Jane but a completely different person that is mostly influence by Mjornir. That's why appearance was different, her speech was different, etc, she was a brand new person and this new persons name was Thor. It's not like spider man where you just put on a costume but still retain the same characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo619 View Post
    Well that leads to confliction, but that's not surprising seeing as writers often override each other so.
    Can you point to an issue of a Thor comic that established his name was not originally Thor?
    Actually it was the idea of two people sharing the same name, because when Jane transforms into Thor, she's no longer Jane but a completely different person that is mostly influence by Mjornir. That's why appearance was different, her speech was different, etc, she was a brand new person and this new persons name was Thor. It's not like spider man where you just put on a costume but still retain the same characteristics.
    Well, her persona was that of Thor but mentally she was still Jane Foster, hence the thought bubbles. But she was still Jane Foster, just calling herself Thor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Can you point to an issue of a Thor comic that established his name was not originally Thor?
    I'll look for the link. It read an article that reference a comic indicating his name was odinson. Once I'll find the link I'll post it.



    Well, her persona was that of Thor but mentally she was still Jane Foster, hence the thought bubbles. But she was still Jane Foster, just calling herself Thor.

    She definitely had elements of her own thoughts for certain, but she wasn't Jane. It wasn't her voice, it wasn't the way she spoke things, it wasn't her physical appearance. As mentioned before, it was a brand new person, a manifestation of both Jane Foster and the combine elements of Mjornir, this was specifically mentioned in the comics and is also the reason she had better control over Mjornir then Thor, because Thor was largely Mjornir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo619 View Post
    I'll look for the link. It read an article that reference a comic indicating his name was odinson. Once I'll find the link I'll post it.
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    Odinson is an epithet or last name if you want to be contemporary about it. Thor is the name, Odinson means Son of Odin (like Scott Thompson - ie. Son of Thom). Odinson is a descriptor of the person named Thor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses View Post
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    Odinson is an epithet or last name if you want to be contemporary about it. Thor is the name, Odinson means Son of Odin (like Scott Thompson - ie. Son of Thom). Odinson is a descriptor of the person named Thor.
    This.

    All that said, Eric Masterson was Thor for a while if I remember correctly, before shifting to being Thunderstrike; so there's precedent for someone other than Thor Odinson being Thor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manwhohaseverything View Post
    I am not norse story expert. Isn't the guy used to be worshipped. I am pretty sure. That's his name. I am a hindu. I would be pretty pissed if they started treating the name "ram" as some kind of title. DC even has him as a character. Two people can have same name. But, thor is thor no matter what.
    Its not really a living religion like hinduism. Sure there are followers but its more of a revival or attempt to recreate the religion than an unbroken thread across the millenia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses View Post
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    Odinson is an epithet or last name if you want to be contemporary about it. Thor is the name, Odinson means Son of Odin (like Scott Thompson - ie. Son of Thom). Odinson is a descriptor of the person named Thor.
    Another Two examples are Loki Laufeyson and Odin Borson. Thus Thor's full name is Thor Odinson.

    Balder's name is also Balder Odinson because he is Thor's brother and Odin's son. Balder's "title" isn't Balder. That's his first name.

    That said, Aaron was making a point about what the name Thor has come to mean to people. Jane took it as a title because of what being Thor is, and how the guy himself made it mean more than just his name, and how he'll even have to live up to what it's come to mean.

    But it is 10000% his Odin given name and not an alter ego or a title.
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