It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)
Aquaman= Kaldur
Flash=should be Wally
Wonder Woman= should be Donna, but I suspect she's getting shafted and I don't see Cassie getting the mantle. No idea who they'd give it to.
MM= should be M'gann. I feel like the kid is going to sacrifice himself to save the JL somehow.
Why does he need to be a founding member to play a mentor role. He is just a more experienced character than any JL member that came after him. He could have plenty to teach since unlike the new characters, he's no longer playing the role of "the kid" regardless if he is or isn't a founding member.
Last edited by Johnny; 10-09-2019 at 10:58 AM.
I will say that if DC is going all-in with this, then they need Warner-Media 100% on board. That means animated shows, TV shows, movies, toys, and other merchandise need to reflect the 5G characters. Otherwise it'll be doomed to fail before it even begins. If DC has Jon Kent as Superman but Warner-Media is still using the Clark Kent version, casual fans won't even give 5G a chance, let alone the old guard.
Casuals don't give a rat's ass about the comics regardless of what DC is doing in outside media. If they did, Aquaman would've been a best-selling book. They even gave the character a beard, long hair and tattoos and it's completely irrelevant in terms of bringing more interest from the casual audience.
The Arrowverse is quick to adapt, isn't it? They already used Godspeed, who's a Rebirth era character, and Silencer, who's from the more recent New Age of DC Heroes.
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And that has proven time and again to be in vain. It's a non-factor. Usually the characters becoming popular in the comics is what tends to lead to media adaptations. If Miles, Kamala or Jane Thor were not successful in the comics, they would not have found their way to animation or live action. And the casuals who are now aware of these characters still won't support their comics, just look at Black Panther. The people who support those characters are still the fans who were originally attracted to them in the comics, not people who saw them in a cartoon or video game somewhere.
Last edited by Johnny; 10-09-2019 at 11:14 AM.
I disagree, I think it does have a chance to succeed with the comic audience, I'm just saying that corporate synergy would be unlikely to bring a lot of new people in. They can do it of course, but I'm not sure it would matter. The people who watch cartoons or buy movie tickets are simply not the people who buy these books and we see that over and over again.
AND...if your goal is to just maintain the current fan base, then I really don't see what the point of replacing original characters in the first place.
Just feels like another gimmick to me. That's what gimmicks do, they intend to "shock" the audience for a temporary sales boost, but ultimately don't really tend to serve a purpose as far as bringing new people in is concerned. Eh, we'll see what happens I suppose.
I don't know. This feels different. I hope you're right, because like I said I have no desire to read about a Superman that isn't Clark Kent, and I own every single Superman comic book published since 1985. But I get the feeling that someone inside is pushing hard for this initiative and DC will stick to their guns if they go through with it for a while.
Replacing all the characters is just ripe for dropping more long-time readers.
And they had just dropped some with New52.
New52 created 'endpoints' for readers (and mostly collectors) to give a definitive stopping point for all of DC's titles.
Quite possibly part of the reason back-issue sales and classic trades are doing better than many current titles.
5G could do the same thing, but this time for characters more than titles.
And it may end up being the stopgap for New52, giving the new readers that came in with it their own drop off point.
It's very possible that after 5G is around for a while, the reader base will be almost all new readers that come in with 5G. A large portion of the prior readers will be focusing on either preNew52 or New52 to 5G, with the exception of any special Elseworld type stories that use the familiar characters.
In the light of this theory, DC would do better to keep the other eras as imprints to give the current readers somewhere to go to avoid losing them to other publishers.
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