Curios discussion: Krakoa/Brexit/Nationalism?

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Short version; IDEOLOGICALLY speaking (not in terms of historical parallel) I’m curious how readers regard Charles Xaviet’s New direction in relation to recent issues such as Brexit or Trump’s wall? Or nationalism in general?

On the one hand: politically, there seems to be a peaceful intent, what with one of the main laws of Krakoa being “Kill No Man.” Can we take this literally? Or is it meant to be viewed as something rather patronising or just obligatory?

I contrast: what are the ideological differences between Krakoa’s interest in closed borders and focus on ‘mutants first’ as opposed to harmonised co-existence and Brexit or Nationalism in general?

Speaking personally: I’ve been told that a focus on traditional nationalism as opposed to cultural integration and melding is bad and closed minded: is that because people focus on ‘what is’ rather than ‘what can be’?’ Or is it truly the idea of insulation that was bad?

For clarification, I’m not trying to cause a fight, especially in regards to users users personal politics; I’m just struggling to make sense of the general
View point and such? (In regard to the narrative, that is, not irl; I firmly believe that we all benefit from experiencing each other’s cultures and integrating when we can as opposed to separating ourselves...which is NOT the same as ‘assimilation,’ I feel is worth saying.

[Magnusilver]

Lol so I'm not the only one. I can totally see nationalism subtext in Hickman's run. Particularly, in today's issue, there is a spoilers:

discussion between Moira and the Librarian talking about survival competition between the mutants and human

end of spoilers instantly reminds me of some popular ideology and concept of the first half of 20 century such as Lebensraum, Social Darwinism and Nazi Germany. I'm sorry I don't want to pick a fight either I just can't unsee it.

[bladeofdarkness]

Actually, the reference that strikes most closely in my mind is actually Zionism more then anything else.
You've got a bunch of people who have been systematically abused by just about every nation they tried living in, and they're solution is basically "make our own" nation instead of trying to integrate into other ones.

This is unlike traditional Nationalism and Brexit, as both of these concepts imply there already exist nation of your own, and resisting to attempts to change it from outside.

The role Jerusalm plays in parts of the story should be a clue.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Actually, the reference that strikes most closely in my mind is actually Zionism more then anything else.
You've got a bunch of people who have been systematically abused by just about every nation they tried living in, and they're solution is basically "make our own" nation instead of trying to integrate into other ones.

This is unlike traditional Nationalism and Brexit, as both of these concepts imply there already exist nation of your own, and resisting to attempts to change it from outside.

The role Jerusalm plays in parts of the story should be a clue.

I think I understand; but I’m still concerned as to how Charles new view of outright domination factors into that?

[tuck frump]

I think I understand; but I’m still concerned as to how Charles new view of outright domination factors into that?

Thats not a thing.

Comparison to zionism are accurate albeit unfortunate.
Mutants forming their own nation is every rl minority dream of getting the f away from constant abuse.

[RachelGrey]

There is a problem with doing comparisons to a place like Britain. Mutants have never had any political power that was recognized by the world, never.

A better analogy for this is if the Native Americans who have been grossly oppressed and killed by Europeans finally got fed up and they all committed to a mass exodus to Greenland and declared Greenland a united Native American nation and they were able to produce something that was highly desired by the rest of the world that would give them enough political clout to be recognized by the United Nations.

Mutants are under constant threat of genocide and their future seems to indicate that every possible outcome leads to their genocide. The only way to survive this is to get away from the humans that want to do this to them. They need to create a well defended nation and hope that they can come up with enough defences to protect themselves from the humans that want to kill and exterminate them.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Thats not a thing.

Comparison to zionism are accurate albeit unfortunate.
Mutants forming their own nation is every rl minority dream of getting the f away from constant abuse.

So you wouldn’t say that these are notes of supremacy we’re seeing from Charles and characters like Magneto, Polaris, the cuckoo’s etc?