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    Dope issue and I can confidently say that Kindred is a form of Harry Osborn. Also battle damaged characters in any fiction is cool(goku has it best) but battle damaged Spidey is just as great
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    That monologue Peter has before taking down Norman is the prime reason why I love Spider-Man comics.
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    Totally Gwen.

    The longing for hatred and revenge both Peter and Norman just doesn't fit Harry...

    And for Norman to refer to Kindred as his legacy in a comic that talks about how Norman always won since he killed Gwen...well that's definitely his legacy.

    As is the notion that Norman would laugh at the idea of a Gwen returning becoming a psycho killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Totally Gwen.

    The longing for hatred and revenge both Peter and Norman just doesn't fit Harry...

    And for Norman to refer to Kindred as his legacy in a comic that talks about how Norman always won since he killed Gwen...well that's definitely his legacy.

    As is the notion that Norman would laugh at the idea of a Gwen returning becoming a psycho killer.
    I hope since that has bad fanfiction written all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Totally Gwen.

    The longing for hatred and revenge both Peter and Norman just doesn't fit Harry...

    And for Norman to refer to Kindred as his legacy in a comic that talks about how Norman always won since he killed Gwen...well that's definitely his legacy.

    As is the notion that Norman would laugh at the idea of a Gwen returning becoming a psycho killer.
    No. It's not Gwen. She wouldn't be in Hell to begin with.
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    Side note: this may be the first time that Spider-Man singlehandedly took down Carnage by himself. No assist, no weapons, just him. That's incredibly awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSlingWonder View Post
    Side note: this may be the first time that Spider-Man singlehandedly took down Carnage by himself. No assist, no weapons, just him. That's incredibly awesome.
    He took down Osborn Carnage, not actual Carnage though.

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    No. It's not Gwen. She wouldn't be in Hell to begin with.
    Cynthia von Doom was a good person and she was there...Marvel hell doesn't follow rules of moral judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Cynthia von Doom was a good person and she was there...Marvel hell doesn't follow rules of moral judgment.
    Kindred is a he/male.

    He referred to Gwen in the 3rd person. He is also a killer. He is also familiar with the various Spider-people who did not surface until long after Gwen died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex85 View Post
    Kindred is a he/male.
    Called so by Mysterio. Which only implies that Mysterio thinks Kindred's a guy.

    He referred to Gwen in the 3rd person.
    Palpatine - "I have no doubt this boy is the son of Anakin Skywalker"
    Vader - "How is that possible"
    Palpatine - "Search your feelings."

    He is also a killer.
    As were Jason Todd and Bucky when they came back from the dead.

    He is also familiar with the various Spider-people who did not surface until long after Gwen died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    He took down Osborn Carnage, not actual Carnage though.



    Cynthia von Doom was a good person and she was there...Marvel hell doesn't follow rules of moral judgment.
    He still took down Carnage, no matter who is behind the suit. That's a pretty big feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Called so by Mysterio. Which only implies that Mysterio thinks Kindred's a guy.



    Palpatine - "I have no doubt this boy is the son of Anakin Skywalker"
    Vader - "How is that possible"
    Palpatine - "Search your feelings."



    As were Jason Todd and Bucky when they came back from the dead.



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    Jack, it's clear that you really want it to be Gwen, and I cannot understand why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSlingWonder View Post
    No. It's not Gwen. She wouldn't be in Hell to begin with.
    Someone hasn't watched The Good Place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSlingWonder View Post
    Jack, it's clear that you really want it to be Gwen, and I cannot understand why.
    I fully accept that it's possible that I am wrong and off-base on this. This is just my guess. I think ASM #30-31 provides no reason to discount Gwen so my theory is still alive. That's all I am saying.

    As for why it can't be Gwen...why do only men come back from fridged victims to becoming badass villains before having a redemption arc or so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Called so by Mysterio. Which only implies that Mysterio thinks Kindred's a guy.
    Mysterio also knows their real name, and I'm pretty sure he'd be able to know that "Gwen" is a dude's name.

    Not that saying its impossible to get around the pronoun issue, Menace was also referred to as a he before being revealed to be Lily, but I don't think Mysterio supposedly not knowing is the good evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSlingWonder View Post
    He still took down Carnage, no matter who is behind the suit. That's a pretty big feat.
    It is a big feat, as Spider-Man has had even less success standing toe to toe against Carnage than Venom.

    Am I the only one who would want to see a Carnageified Kindred?
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