X-Men #1 preview

[Crimz]

I don't think the FF hate mutants either, but they have also not really helped them. They don't really intervene when the humans are rounding up mutants unilaterally and detaining them, depowering them, curing them, executing them. Standing aside while a genocide is taking place around you does make you slightly complicit even if you aren't participating in the genocide, you are doing absolutely nothing to stop it either.

I didn't like Rosenberg's run much, but I thought it was telling that the Avengers were protecting that anti-mutant hate protesters from any mutants who might come to the hate protest event. They were protecting the very people who were calling for the permanent extermination of every mutant on Earth. Black Widow tried to tell Logan that this wasn't his problem and that he shouldn't stand with Scott, but what kind of insane thing is that to say, of course it's his problem, his people are being rounded up and killed and he's just supposed to stand there and watch it happen.

They aren't villains, the FF and Avengers aren't villains, but they are kind of insensitive and complicit with all of the racism that is happening around them.

I think that turning a problem with Marvel storytelling to something that makes other heroes look bad is wrong. It makes no sense for the FF to be complicit with their connections to mutants. Especially when the real reason is that the writers just didn't want to use them in the story and Marvel have treated them like the red-headed step child for years. It got especially worse with the film situation as Marvel didn't want the FF and X-Men interacting because it would give Fox more stories to work with if they ever wanted to crossover the properties.
There are plenty of examples of other teams being in trouble or earth in jeopardy with no other hero in sight, and those are never put on the heroes. Why is it the case with this?

Its okay Im sure Doctor Fantastic would be proud of u for sticking up for him if he was real.

Keep your snide comments to yourself. Okay?

[Triniking1234]

You re applying real life reasoning to explain charaters motivations which is really not what this conversation has been about.

The real life reasoning IS the explanation for the characters' motivations. What kind of deflection is that?

[cranger]

They aren't villains, the FF and Avengers aren't villains, but they are kind of insensitive and complicit with all of the racism that is happening around them.

Honestly I try to stick to the stories, and we have had very few where any of this has been touched on, and really the only bad ones come out of the recent Avengers office.

Otherwise I do not think this is something that matters. It is not the story, it is just a flaw in the shared universe. Every super hero not showing up to every problem that who ever stars in their own book has to end up dealing with on their own is just the way things work. It is as accepted as the sliding timescale, characters appearing multiple places at the same time, retcons and birthday parties that do not count anymore.

[tuck frump]

The real life reasoning IS the explanation for the characters' motivations.

Which is irrelevant when discussing the mechanics of a shared fictional universe. Literally everything can be chalked up to "because the writer wanted it like that" so that argument really adds nothing of value to the debate.

[Starfish]

It's a shared universe with a gazillion characters, and not nearly enough panel space to do them all justice. If you want any given cast of characters to face their own challenges, one has to accept that other characters can't solve these problems for them. Unless people would prefer the X-Men comics to be about the FF and Avengers instead.

[Frobisher]

You have to wonder how there's even any organised crime in the MU for Frank Castle to massacre, let alone that the super people don't just stop him.

[Triniking1234]

Which is irrelevant when discussing the mechanics of a shared fictional universe. Literally everything can be chalked up to "because the writer wanted it like that" so that argument really adds nothing of value to the debate.

Unfortunately the mechanics of a shared universe is the solution to your "why doesn't the FF help in mutant problems?" dilemma as there is no in-world story narrative to support that the Fantastic Four are anti-mutant. Multiple Man, FF vs. X-Men, Reed arguing against mutant registration, Days of Future Present, Onslaught, X-23, etc. already prove they're pro-mutant.

[CoCoBandz]

Unfortunately the mechanics of a shared universe is the solution to your "why doesn't the FF help in mutant problems?" dilemma as there is no in-world story narrative to support that the Fantastic Four are anti-mutant. FF vs. X-Men, Reed arguing against mutant registration, Days of Future Present, Onslaught, X-23, etc. already prove they're pro-mutant.

Reed the smartest man on the planet also told his dumb colleagues to leave the P5 alone and saw the good in what they were doing for the world.

[Devaishwarya]

I don't think the FF hate mutants either, but they have also not really helped them. They don't really intervene when the humans are rounding up mutants unilaterally and detaining them, depowering them, curing them, executing them. Standing aside while a genocide is taking place around you does make you slightly complicit even if you aren't participating in the genocide, you are doing absolutely nothing to stop it either.

I didn't like Rosenberg's run much, but I thought it was telling that the Avengers were protecting that anti-mutant hate protesters from any mutants who might come to the hate protest event. They were protecting the very people who were calling for the permanent extermination of every mutant on Earth. Black Widow tried to tell Logan that this wasn't his problem and that he shouldn't stand with Scott, but what kind of insane thing is that to say, of course it's his problem, his people are being rounded up and killed and he's just supposed to stand there and watch it happen.

They aren't villains, the FF and Avengers aren't villains, but they are kind of insensitive and complicit with all of the racism that is happening around them.

Ennnh. I can see how that would be taken by the readership and yes...they have been called out on their lack of "interest" but...

Historically and logistically speaking, they are separate franchises, under separate offices under different writers and editors...and while they may share the same fictional Universe...those living, breathing humans who direct their stories aren't beholden to reflect/address the Mutant Plight in any of those characters' stories.
(And really, when they did try...they made a gawd-awful shyt-fest of everything (AvX/IvX, anyone?)...so it's probably best the writers "stay in their lanes" on this matter).

And (in-fictional-Universe) it's not as though...Super-human and Mutant heroes have not been seen by the MU public as friends, helping each other throughout various crises, saving the lives and existence of those very same humans. It's just that that friendship and acceptance never seem to impress upon the human public. Which indicates that, even if the FF, Dr. Strange, Spiderman et al, make public service announcements embracing their Mutant brethren...chances are most humans will still choose to hold onto their hatred and fear (not unlike some real-world racists, actually)...so...nothing changes and we're right back to square one.

All of which, to say...in the grand scheme of things, the inactions/disinterest of the other super-heroes towards the Mutant Plight really and truly don't matter, either way you look at it.

[AHRNIHAL]

FF is too busy keeping Reed sane.
The time avengers are not fighting villains they're busy messing things up or fighting between themselves.
They're just busy.
Inhumans are too busy incesting.

[Godzilla2099]

I like this preview!

I'm just happy we don't have X-Men bickering against each other, they're working towards a common goal, and actually making progress this time.

Its back to basics but at the same time, the story is unique.

Storm's Dialogue was different but her reasoning for it makes complete sense so nothing in this preview felt entirely off.

Definitely can't wait for this issue.

[Tycon]

Decimation era ONE sentinels were just mechs piloted by people; they were tools, hell sentinels as a whole are just tools (except when they're dumb enough to let A.I. run the whole operation.); and there is nothing inherently wrong with having anti superhuman counter measures.

Why do y’all keep saying that? Sentinels were MADE to stop mutants, that is literally their creation and encoded into their primary programming. Also, you weren’t supposed to be rooting for the set-up they had during Decimation. It was an internment camp.

[RachelGrey]

In relation to the FF and Avengers.

There is a split there too. During the first Civil War and the Superhuman Registration Act you saw the heroes divide into two separate camps. Tony and Reed went all in on rounding people up and putting them in prison if they didn't register with the government. This is the same thing that was done to the mutants under the Mutant Registration Act, the only issue is that after Decimation there were so few mutants left that they were all just rounded up and stuck at the Xavier Institute using Sentinels that Tony designed for the government of the United States. Reed built the new prison to contain any superhuman that didn't register. They had mercenary forces going around and apprehending anyone that didn't comply with the registration.

Now on the other hand you have Captain America and Sue Richards both going with the resistance and joining the Secret Avengers to resist the registration and work against it.

So people are right, there are heroes that are far more complicit than others. Reed and Tony have been architects of some of the technology that is used against mutants and they knowingly created such technology. Sue and Steve have opposed the unilateral imprisonment of people who do not register their powers with the government.

Although, none of these heroes fought very hard when the Mutant Registration Act was passed. It wasn't until it was their own lives on the line that suddenly opposing registration became important.

[jwatson]

If humans are just creating sentinels to protect themselves in general then were were the sentinels during secret invasion? Where were the sentinels when the black order attacked? Where were the sentinels when the demons attacked during inferno? The simple answer to it all sentinels were not programmed to protect humans because if the code worked like that by extension they may protect mutants. They are specifically programmed to kill mutants and gain enough awareness to discover their source, humans.

So why aren't Sentinels simply programmed to protect humans from super powered threats?

Ironically if they were and say a Thor was stopping a human that was committing a robbery said sentinel might attack Thor to protect the humans so it would also be the perfect way to allow humanity to police itself. Though it could open up a human on super human free for all.

[Tycon]

Tell that to half the X-boards who seem to genuinely buy into the opposite.

the problem isn’t that they’re actually going out and actively crapping in the X-Men. but they are complicit in how mutants are treated because nothing ever gets done about it. and people on here can say it’s because stories can’t overlap or whatever about different properties but that’s just the consequence of a shared universe. especially when, instead of retconning that the Avengers DO help mutants, Marvel itself doubles down on the assumptions that other heroes barely help the X-Men with their cause which led to Children’s Crusade, AvX, Uncanny Avengers, A+X, the Rosencanny confrontations etc etc.