X-Men #1 preview

[Rosebunse]

And in none of her ten lifes did Moira try an alliance with people like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers.
Its always "us versus them" or "us alongside them" but never "there is no us and them".

Moira is very arrogant.

The heroes and mutants have banded together, but itnwas usually to defeat her. Moira can't accept that maybe she was wrong.

Anyone else think that Hickman did not have the Mother Mold boot up just to give a few last words and the X-Men are about to find out?

Maybe, though to me, I wonder if their attacking it didn't make things worse. Maybe it would have worked properly had they let it boot up the way it was supposed to.

[tuck frump]

You do know that no one knew about space Mother Mold right? That the only reason the X-Men know was because of Moira's experience in past lives and the stolen info. You're asking the FF to know about something that was intentionally kept hidden from them?

The point is they didnt try to know. Racist human corporations and governments know they can always step on mutant throats because their superheroes will be there to keep the muties down when they start fighting back.

[loke13]

23 pages for a preview...Hickman got us all shook lol The next few years should be fun.

[silence.]

I feel like Hicknam's perspective on non-mutant heroes is pretty much akin to them standing for the idea of 'civility will save us'. Their privilege blinds them to the harsh realities of mutantdom. So when mutants start facing extinction, the superheros will do the minimum and then say 'I'm sure it'll be fine'. We've seen them do as much multiple times before.

[Crimz]

The point is they didnt try to know. Racist human corporations and governments know they can always step on mutant throats because their superheroes will be there to keep the muties down when they start fighting back.

So you're blaming them for not knowing something that was intentionally kept from them? Lol

[Fokken]

Has ha ha thanks everyone. I was TOTALLY remembering that scene wrong. hahaha. Thanks!

[Nullviahomo]

Torch and Thing attacked them as they were fleeing from DC and called them thieves. Theres no indication they knew Creed had killed the guards, its only Reed who brought it up later. So they simply attacked them for stealing from a facility they themselves know is shady and have tried to prevent from acquiring their inventions in the past.

Moreover, they could have asked Scott what was stolen or investigated themselves instead of dumping Creed in jail and calling it a day. HoX #1 datapage told us most of DC acquisitions are Richards and Starks inventions so you'd think the FF would feel concerned. But since its mutie business they cant seem to be bothered.

Superheroes stopping supervillains from escaping after committing crimes. Oh noes! This is truly a new low in comic-book history. 8-) Seriously, if you're trying to argue that the FF stopping the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants from getting away with a violent attack on the vault where Reed and Tony's incredibly dangerous technologies are stored makes them human supremacists who get their jollies beating up on poor little innocent mutants.... yeah, whatever. Have fun with that.

Yes, they could have asked Scott what the supervillains he seems to be allied with stole, but that would be tantamount to accusing the X-Men of collusion with said supervillains, wouldn't it? They didn't. Instead, all they did was say no when Cyclops tried to assert the pretty bizarre notion that all mutants now have complete immunity - not amnesty for past crimes - for any crimes they might want to commit outside of Krakoa. In fact, what the FF do is reject the notion that all this is just 'mutie business'.

And however smart Toad might now be, there's no way he's going to be able to wipe away all traces of what he stole from big-brains like Reed Richards and Tony Stark. This alone opens up a whole wide world of possibilities should their writers be interested in pulling on that thread in future.

[Magnusilver]

I wonder what role Corsair will have given that he is a human working with Krakoa....

Don’t worry. Hickman will make him a mutant as well.

[tuck frump]

So you're blaming them for not knowing something that was intentionally kept from them? Lol

Its just convenient that they never seem to be aware when someone is planning to **** mutants over. Had the Brotherhood not stolen that data Orchis would have enacted their plans and both mutants and humans were done for. So who's really the hero here.

[Crimz]

Superheroes stopping supervillains from escaping after committing crimes. Oh noes! This is truly a new low in comic-book history. 8-) Seriously, if you're trying to argue that the FF stopping the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants from getting away with a violent attack on the vault where Reed and Tony's incredibly dangerous technologies are stored makes them human supremacists who get their jollies beating up on poor little innocent mutants.... yeah, whatever. Have fun with that.

Yes, they could have asked Scott what the supervillains he seems to be allied with stole, but that would be tantamount to accusing the X-Men of collusion with said supervillains, wouldn't it? They didn't. Instead, all they did was say no when Cyclops tried to assert the pretty bizarre notion that all mutants now have complete immunity - not amnesty for past crimes - for any crimes they might want to commit outside of Krakoa. In fact, what the FF do is reject the notion that all this is just 'mutie business'.

And however smart Toad might now be, there's no way he's going to be able to wipe away all traces of what he stole from big-brains like Reed Richards and Tony Stark. This alone opens up a whole wide world of possibilities should their writers be interested in pulling on that thread in future.

Noooo. It's obviously because they hate mutants!
Even though they have a mutant son who they adore and have adopted other mutant kids. Also thought the X-Men had a point in AvX and decided to stay out of it because of that.

But they still hate mutants! Somehow....

[Nazrel]

They were literally designed to commit genocide tho? Even comparing the 198 situation to armed cops stationned at schools isnt apt. Its like hiring klansmen to stand guard in a black or brown neighborhood. Which I guess is just regular cops. Ugh...

No, those ones were designed to be mechs; though yes, branding; symbols mean something, it was profoundly stupid not to give them a new designation, and change up their appearance. The rest of your parallel does not hold up; a mech holds no ideology, or prejudice.

Though this is in line with the marvels meta imperative of always having the government do the dumbest possible thing to provide existential validation for the heroes.

[Crimz]

Its just convenient that they never seem to be aware when someone is planning to **** mutants over. Had the Brotherhood not stolen that data Orchis would have enacted their plans and both mutants and humans were done for. So who's really the hero here.

Are you blaming them for every bad thing that's happened to mutants?

The Fantastic Four are still the heroes in that scenario as they didn't know.

[tuck frump]

Are you blaming them for every bad thing that's happened to mutants?

The Fantastic Four are still the heroes in that scenario as they didn't know.

They knew their inventions had been reappropriated by the same government that made anti mutant vaccination mandatory like three months ago. What could have possible gone wrong? I thought Richards was supposed to be super smart or sthg.

[RachelGrey]

Wasn't there ONE life were they all banded together? I thought there was a page with all sorts of heroes on it. Anyone help me with a scan?

Yeah, Moira's 3rd or 4th life I believe she and Charles fully allied with the Avengers and FF and were heroes in the world and the humans still built the Sentinels to kill all of the mutants. I think this is supposed to emulate Rachel's 811 world where everything happens way faster because the X-Men kept hoping the other heroes would step in and help them. In Rachel's 811 after the attack on the mansion that killed almost everyone and led to Rachel's capture, a year or two later the human governments turned the Sentinels on the Avengers, Fantastic Four, Spiderman, and all Superhumans hero or villain to purge the world of super powered beings. That was the Days of Future Past world. So even in a world where the X-Men did everything they could to work with humans and cooperate with the Avengers and FF. The other superheroes did nothing when the Sentinels came for the mutants, and then 2 years later the Sentinels were turned on the other heroes who stood by and did nothing the first time.

It's supposed to be an allegory for the old saying by Martin Niemöller:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...the-socialists
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Triniking1234]

Yes. Let's completely ignore the fact that superheroes can't get involved in each others plots in order for the story to work to rip on the flatscan heroes.

lol.

They knew their inventions had been reappropriated by the same government that made anti mutant vaccination mandatory like three months ago. What could have possible gone wrong? I thought Richards was supposed to be super smart or sthg.

Damage Control is independent from the US government. Also they being in possession of Richards' and Stark's work was only established in House #1.