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    The Man Who Cannot Die manwhohaseverything's Avatar
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    For me, we have been trying to incorporate/amalgamate the three versions or visions for the Superman character since 2000's. but it seems to create a mess in characterisation and leading to character becoming more archetype than a real character.it also leaves the fans split and unsatisfied.
    Since, dc is keen to divide dc into generation.my idea is to specific split the "superman" into three.3 supermen for 3 generations, 3 outlooks, 3 visions and 3 voices. Call it "the reign of supermen" or "supermen of 3 worlds".i believe precrisis had right idea.

    "man of action" - essentially the goldenage guy/morrison superman . More grounded storytelling with low level powerscaling (no flight, needs to breath, needs food, slow aging) . A vigilante who fights for the little guy. A reporter, strong man and an athlete. Powers source due to gravity differences and physiology (basically like insects who can lift higher, jump.. Etc) . Politics, journalism, investgative mystery .. Etc are the main content.main identity is clark kent who plays the mild mannered guy for the sake of being a vigilante. Above average human intelligence but is very resourceful.creates a secret citadel(not very advanced. But, is functional) with his strength and uses it as a hideout. Grew up in the suburbs(sometimes feeling like a freak) . Son of john and mary(note:-city/suburban folks. Not farmers. Dead) . John finds clark crash land when he was passing by on his motorcycle. Considers himself gifted being(no idea what he is) but cautious of reaction to his powers so hides them. Fights for truth and justice for everyone. K-metal main weakness(no radiation. A metal like adamantium) . Pair of tights (tshirt and jeans if you want to go that route) with blanket from Krypton (note nothing special. The guys costume gets destroyed often)
    World/city-corrupt city of Metropolis
    "man of tomorrow" - essentially, the silverage guy/all star superman. More scifi, out there storytelling with dbz level powerscaling(nothing required, immortal ) . A guardian angel who fights to protect the world. A scientist and an explorer(little bit of a dreamer and a futurist) . Powersouce "unknown" or "unexplained" (solar radiation just doesn't cut it. Sun doesn't produce enough radiation that superman needs to perform tasks. But, it can be optional choice ). Adventure, exploration,time travel, horror , ethical conundrums of a god walking amongst men... Etc are the main content. Main identity is kal el from krypton who became an American citizen.plays Mild mannered guy for the sake of living amongst humans as one of them. Genius level intelligence creates his very own advanced fortress of solitude from the tech he gathers from his space adventures. Had adventures as superboy when he was child with legion in the future. Son of Jor el and lara and has a pet dog guardian (krypto). Jonathan(dead) and martha(alive) find him and adopt him.(farmers who can't keep up. But, still provides with everything kal el needs). Considers himself a kryptonIan immigrant to America. Fights to protect every living thing.unknown substance k(kryptonite) is the main weakness (it can give humans powers). Makes an armor for himself with his technology similar to his home world.
    World/city- cyberpunk dystopian city
    "man of steel" - essentially,the postcrisis "human" superman. More family drama, romcom type storytelling with medium level powerscaling(needs to breath, food optional,aging depended on radiation absorbed) . A farmboy trying to help people in his life in the big city. A farmer, a boyscout and a family man(a little bit of traditional values).powersource the sun. Drama, comedy, relationships... Etc are the main content of the story(more like lois and clark tv series) . Main identity clark kent who works for the daily planet as reporter(hides in plain sight. No act). average intelligence with inherent wisdom and innocence like in superman for all seasons. Finds a crystal/technology from Krypton that he uses to create a crystal fortress in the antartic. Born on earth. Son of Jonathan and martha(both alive) . Considers himself a human and an American who Discovered powers late. Fights for everyone but is an American.has married now is a father to a young boy named jon. Kryptonite is main weakness which is radio active (long term exposure can give even humans cancer).his Mother makes a costume from blankets. Solar flare one of the powers. Has bioelectric aura which he can use to sheild things. Can see souls or aura of living things
    World/city- a city with two face. One hand the city of the future where dreams come true. On the other hand also a place with darker underbelly.

    Do you like my idea of split or do you want to continue amalgam superman?.
    If you like amalgamation to be better idea, then what will be the attributes you want/choose in that superman? Comment below
    If you like my idea to split superman but would do it differently then comment below as well.
    Last edited by manwhohaseverything; 10-11-2019 at 08:40 AM.

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    I get the feeling that if the eras of Superman are divided like this,so will the fandom.Everyone will cling to the version they like most while ignoring the others.
    Even if different eras interpret Superman differently,I prefer a singular an all-around version than a split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mago dos Gatos View Post
    I get the feeling that if the eras of Superman are divided like this,so will the fandom.Everyone will cling to the version they like most while ignoring the others.
    Even if different eras interpret Superman differently,I prefer a singular an all-around version than a split.
    Isn't that better. Let everyone have their superman,instead of noone having theirs. For instance, if i want to read something akin to goldenage or silverage i have to search for it. Post crisis superman is'nt for everyone. Postcrisis fans would raise objections if superman was like goldenage guy or had silverage guy powerlevel. Amalgamation cannot work with one being a jock and other being a nerd. This way we have 3 supermen for different stories.
    Besides, people are already clinging and fighting for their superman.

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    I'd cut the Golden Age/Morrison era (which are very different, btw), as I just don't see the market for it. People will always cry out for more of Grant Morrison writing Superman, be it Gold, Silver or Polka Dot era, because Grant Morrison has a vocal, passionate following. However, I rarely see people avidly wanting more actual Golden Age Superman.

    Bendis is already kinda doing the separate Silver and Bronze/Byrne/90's era thing with Superman and Action Comics respectively. I do think the current situation is the best of all worlds for now (I am bias, I'm actually enjoying Superman books for the first time since Doomed) and at least we have an A-list writer to pull interest from more casual Superman fans. However, I think the early 00's did it better with it's crazy mash-up of Silver Age craziness but with more decent plotting, character and substance (mostly).

    I will admit, though, that I mostly feel this way because Superman's editors, the wider management at DC or perhaps even Warner Bros themselves are completely incapable, or perhaps terrified, of change.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I've seen you hoping for Superman to head in a more DBZ direction quite a few times, and that is something I am 100% in favour of. Superman has pretty much stopped evolving, and as a result has been surpassed by many imitations. I think it's time Superman drew from the very things he influenced, chuck in some DBZ, power-up a bunch of enemies and give them crazy reality warping powers and abilities for Superman to combat, and for the love of god LET THE GUY ACTUALLY ENJOY BEING SUPERMAN!

    Goku loves his life, he loves the challenge of setting himself up as Earth's greatest fighter (and by association hero), and he thrives in adversity and, perhaps most Superman of all, he sees the best in everyone and thinks even the greatest of monsters can be redeemed. And he tries!

    Give Superman a huge injection of that and he'd be a lot more fun to read. Silver Age, Bronze Age, Byrne era, Jurgens era, Loeb era, all these Supermen, at the end of the day, showed joy in being Superman. He wasn't ashamed of being Superman. He wasn't hiding . And he sure as hell didn't live in a world that, when his secret was outed, immediately turned on him because reasons (post Doomed era, I am squarely looking at you).

    EDIT: I got a bit carried away from the original question. I guess my answer is all three?
    "Has Sariel summoned you here, Azrael? Have you come to witness the miracle of your brethren arriving on Earth?"

    "I WILL MIX THE ASHES OF YOUR BONES WITH SALT AND USE THEM TO ENSURE THE EARTH THE TEMPLARS TILLED NEVER BEARS FRUIT AGAIN!"

    "*sigh* I hoped it was for the miracle."

    Dan Watters' Azrael was incredible, a constant delight and perhaps too good for this world (but not the Forth). For the love of St. Dumas, DC, give us more!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by exile001 View Post
    I'd cut the Golden Age/Morrison era (which are very different, btw), as I just don't see the market for it. People will always cry out for more of Grant Morrison writing Superman, be it Gold, Silver or Polka Dot era, because Grant Morrison has a vocal, passionate following. However, I rarely see people avidly wanting more actual Golden Age Superman.

    Bendis is already kinda doing the separate Silver and Bronze/Byrne/90's era thing with Superman and Action Comics respectively. I do think the current situation is the best of all worlds for now (I am bias, I'm actually enjoying Superman books for the first time since Doomed) and at least we have an A-list writer to pull interest from more casual Superman fans. However, I think the early 00's did it better with it's crazy mash-up of Silver Age craziness but with more decent plotting, character and substance (mostly).

    I will admit, though, that I mostly feel this way because Superman's editors, the wider management at DC or perhaps even Warner Bros themselves are completely incapable, or perhaps terrified, of change.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I've seen you hoping for Superman to head in a more DBZ direction quite a few times, and that is something I am 100% in favour of. Superman has pretty much stopped evolving, and as a result has been surpassed by many imitations. I think it's time Superman drew from the very things he influenced, chuck in some DBZ, power-up a bunch of enemies and give them crazy reality warping powers and abilities for Superman to combat, and for the love of god LET THE GUY ACTUALLY ENJOY BEING SUPERMAN!

    Goku loves his life, he loves the challenge of setting himself up as Earth's greatest fighter (and by association hero), and he thrives in adversity and, perhaps most Superman of all, he sees the best in everyone and thinks even the greatest of monsters can be redeemed. And he tries!

    Give Superman a huge injection of that and he'd be a lot more fun to read. Silver Age, Bronze Age, Byrne era, Jurgens era, Loeb era, all these Supermen, at the end of the day, showed joy in being Superman. He wasn't ashamed of being Superman. He wasn't hiding . And he sure as hell didn't live in a world that, when his secret was outed, immediately turned on him because reasons (post Doomed era, I am squarely looking at you).

    EDIT: I got a bit carried away from the original question. I guess my answer is all three?
    Market is tricky thing. I believe there is. I mean, all might works great. I want that guy back. That guy was siegel and shuster's superman. I mean, i fell in love with the guy more than the current one.there is a more hard core superman than that guy. The guy who fight for those who can't fight themselves. The voice of the voiceless . It will have great action and great grounded hand to hand combat.

    Also, This isn’t about morrison or market. Secretly more of my personal pet agenda. I want to preserve "the Superman" his original creators envisioned.

    I am the reverse. Current one has major characterisation problems. What's his intelligence level? What is his main motivation? What is the main adversity he faces in his personal and professional life?what is the world that needed this kind of superman? Jon was the main attraction of this superman for me. He was great as superdad(it was clear cut vision) because there is history to clois's struggle for the kid. Now, everything comes of as having lack of personal stakes and forced drama. It's all blah! For me.
    And i believe every superman enjoys being superman in this one.

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    I guess peoples personalities can change, I don't see why not for Superman.

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