View Poll Results: Which of DC's Black Characters Has the Most Potential to Achieve Trinity Status?

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  • Green Lantern (John Stewart)

    41 28.28%
  • Vixen (Mari McCabe)

    18 12.41%
  • Cyborg (Victor Stone)

    12 8.28%
  • Black Lightning/Vulcan (Jefferson Pierce)

    24 16.55%
  • Static (Virgil Hawkins)

    7 4.83%
  • Naomi (Naomi McDuffie)

    8 5.52%
  • Mr. Terrific (Michael Holt)

    6 4.14%
  • Steel (John Henry Irons)

    3 2.07%
  • Bumblebee (Karen Beecher)

    0 0%
  • Icon (Augustus Freeman IV)

    1 0.69%
  • Rocket (Raquel Ervin)

    0 0%
  • Amazing-Man (Any Version)

    1 0.69%
  • Aqualad (Kaldur'ahm/Jackson Hyde)

    1 0.69%
  • Other (Specify Below)

    3 2.07%
  • None

    20 13.79%
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    The biggest problem with Cyborg--aside from perhaps not being the character DC should have pushed at all, for various reasons--is that he was pushed for the wrong reasons. He was only pushed because DC felt they needed a black character on the JL. That doesn't sound like a bad reason, but it's pretty clear no one at DC really had a worthwhile story for him. Diversity is great, but it's empty and not worth a damn if there is no substance to back it up. Before DC put Cyborg on the League, they should have mapped out specifically what they wanted to do with him and where they wanted to take him, instead of just completely pantsing it (that's a writer term for kind of winging it and just seeing what will happen, which isn't necessarily bad, but as we've seen with Cyborg, it can be).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    The biggest problem with Cyborg--aside from perhaps not being the character DC should have pushed at all, for various reasons--is that he was pushed for the wrong reasons. He was only pushed because DC felt they needed a black character on the JL. That doesn't sound like a bad reason, but it's pretty clear no one at DC really had a worthwhile story for him. Diversity is great, but it's empty and not worth a damn if there is no substance to back it up. Before DC put Cyborg on the League, they should have mapped out specifically what they wanted to do with him and where they wanted to take him, instead of just completely pantsing it (that's a writer term for kind of winging it and just seeing what will happen, which isn't necessarily bad, but as we've seen with Cyborg, it can be).
    So much of what I liked about Cyborg back in the day stemmed from his relationship with Gar, and, IMO, both characters have suffered since that friendship was retconned / abandoned. Gar's kind of flitted about, been shipped with Raven, gone back and forth to the Doom Patrol, changed colors, etc. And Victor has completely changed.

    The integration of Mother Box / Apokaliptan tech into Cyborg was a neat step to take, but I feel like it could have happened to the pre-existing character, via some assimilation of that tech (or assimilation of Victor *by* that tech, more likely, with the intent of making him an unwilling participant in some invasion by Darkseid, a sort of mobile gateway he could manuever into a secure or hard to reach place and open a Boom Tube to send the troops into what had been deemed a 'safe' or secure location), rather than be the origin story of a new Cyborg who has his original backstory and history with the Titans expunged. "Hey, we are going to push this pre-existing character. Step one will be to destroy anything that anyone ever knew or liked about him! Genius!"

    If the League needed a black character (and it surely could use a few less white faces...), I'd have preferred John Stewart (with Hal Jordan remaining the Specter, and relevant for big cosmic events, which happen pretty much every year anyway), or Black Lightning or some lesser used character like Amazing Man. (Icon, Mr. Terrific and Steel, IMO, feel redundant on a team with Superman and Batman, whose niches they step all over, and would just get overshadowed.) And if someone is going to replace Martian Manhunter as the floating seventh, I'd prefer it be another woman, since six dudes and a single lady sounds like a bad porno plot. Hawkwoman or Black Canary or Vixen.

    Or we could just have a black Justice League with a token white person. Mix things up. Superman role - Val Zod, Icon, Steel, Batman role - Batwing, Mr. Terrific, Wonder Woman role - Nubia, Green Lantern role - John Stewart, Flash role - Wallace West, XS, Aquaman role - Jackson Hyde, floating seventh - token white chick (Black Canary, Hawkwoman, Zatanna, Icemaiden)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    So much of what I liked about Cyborg back in the day stemmed from his relationship with Gar, and, IMO, both characters have suffered since that friendship was retconned / abandoned. Gar's kind of flitted about, been shipped with Raven, gone back and forth to the Doom Patrol, changed colors, etc. And Victor has completely changed.
    Removing Cyborg from the Titans was foolish simply on grounds of people recognizing and associating him with that group of characters. There was no real impetus to put him on the League other than DC being like, "Uh oh. I guess we need a black guy. Don't want to use John Stewart because he's an alternate. Don't want to use Black Lightning because of rights. Cyborg, you're up!"

    The fans weren't asking for it.
    DC didn't really want to do it. I feel I'm at least a bit familiar with Geoff Johns' tendencies, and I'm confident that he would just have the original line up if he could.
    And no one had a great story for him to help justify that decision.
    He was just black.

    That's just not a good enough reason to put him in the spotlight like that when he's not equipped or ready for it. That kind of shows DC doesn't (or at least didn't) take diversity all that seriously. You can't just carelessly throw a black character at people--who's mostly a robot no less--and call it a day. Not if you actually want people to be engaged with your character and their stories.

    At the end of the day, all DC did was shine a massive, glaring spotlight on all the deficiencies of Cyborg, and in effect, all the black characters that he was chosen over. Despite all the direct to DVD appearances, the movie appearance, the toys, the Injustice games, the two ongoing comic series, and whatever else, Cyborg's promotion has done the character A LOT more damage than it has good.

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