X-Men Monday #32 10-14

[Havok83]

It might be an impossibility, but if it happens...IF IT HAPPENS...IF the X-Men begin killing human babies born by mistake in Krakoa for being inconvenient to the mutant narrative.....will you deem it acceptable compared to the human attitude you harp about? Will you justify it as eye-for-eye? Will you support it and praise it? WILL YOU?

If this be 'Hot Takes,' the let it be HOT TAKES! I changed my signature for the sake of my sentiments.

why kill them? If anything, I think they’d work to turn them into mutants via the mind transfer process. This could be the start of the chimera project by Sinister

[spirit2011]

You know Jubilee's son Shogo is human and he is living on Krakoa and probably being babysat with the other kids by Exodus at the new daycare Exodus opened up.

I get it, you want the X-Men to be portrayed as racist as the genocidal humans they were forced to flee from. The human world got so oppressive and genocidal against mutants that their only option was to form a nation of their own where they could be safe from the constant threat of genocide.

If I had people trying to kill me all the time, I might put some restrictions on those same people being allowed to visit my island nation.

some x-men are already portrayed as racist towards humans

[jamesslow]

After reading a few of the batshit contradictory statements by the writers and directors of Avengers Endgame, I decided to ignore every such comment that's not explicit in the work. I made an exception for Hickman's answers in this case because the work is still very much in progress.

Good to know the choice of font wasn't meant to evoke the Ultimate (i.e. an alternate) universe. And that Jean's choice of the Marvel Girl costume was meant to evoke the last time she chose to do so during the DPS.

[Desmark]

I see that the cycle has begun again. FIGHT!!!

[Londo Bellian]

You know Jubilee's son Shogo is human and he is living on Krakoa and probably being babysat with the other kids by Exodus at the new daycare Exodus opened up.

Wait. WAIT WAIT WAIT. I thought they were adamant that there will NEVER BE ANY NON-MUTANTS ALLOWED TO LIVE IN KRAKOA! That was supposed to be ABSOLUTE! The X-Men and Magneto hammered that into the faces of the F4 and the last batch of human politicians escorted to the premises.

You said Shogo was human. HE SHOULDN'T BE THERE! If the Council was merciful then leaving him with human relatives of the X-Men should've been the maximum of concern for him given the new attitude wrought by having Krakoa. Under normal circumstances they would have teleported him off, preferably exiting on a busy intersection.

You're saying they were bending the NO HUMANS rules for Jubes and her SON all along?

If that is true then I have a portion of hope up again.

My mood is mercurial; you know that now.

some x-men are already portrayed as racist towards humans

Yes. that. I get tired to pointing it out, but I will, again.

[Filthy Mutie]

Opinions like that make me wish I could be mind-wiped into never hearing about the "X-Men" franchise because of status quos like this, and the fact that I FEEL like their readership/fandom has toxic opinions. Kirby was right; comic books break hearts. I can feel mine doing so.

What toxic opinions?

[phoenixzero23]

some x-men are already portrayed as racist towards humans

Yes they have but the worst part is the fans that think it is cool.
Yes humans have been bad with mutants but judging all humans or acting different with them because they are human is wrong and somewhat racist. In no case mutants are entitled to judge humans.

[RachelGrey]

<sigh> I guess you both won't be reading the Dawn of X comics since you think that the X-Men are all alt-right terrorists who are trying to oppress and destroy all of humanity.

I won't bother arguing with you anymore, it makes me just as angry as it does to argue with a Holocaust denier or any other genocide denier in the last 150 years. The Holocaust didn't happen, the Armenian Genocide didn't happen, the Rwandan Genocide didn't happen. Out of site out of mind.

In comics it's now that the X-Men have nothing to fear from the humans who have detained them, experimented on them, tried to cure them, and killed a large portion of them. It's ok to set up a school in the middle of a country where the government's own agents have been sanctioned to end the mutant problem once and for all.

Personally I think the X-Men are just fed up with the racists of Orchis and they aren't taking that racist bullshit anymore. The people of Orchis are the worst examples of humanity and they just keep trying to build weapons to kill mutants and they need to be stopped by any means necessary before they end up killing everyone in their path.

[Glio]

If you can't see the difference between Polaris saying "Ugh, I hate these humans who have tried to exterminate me a thousand times" but without doing anything directly malicious towards them and ORCHID building a giant genocidal robot, then I don't know what to say.

It's like #NotAllHumans

[spirit2011]

I'm not saying everyone on x-men actec that way, but some have some troubling speeches.

Yes they have but the worst part is the fans that think it is cool.
Yes humans have been bad with mutants but judging all humans or acting different with them because they are human is wrong and somewhat racist. In no case mutants are entitled to judge humans.

If it i swrong humans have prejudice to mutants, it is wrong for mutants do the same for humans

I think it is understable hating humans, but there is something really unsetting going on in Krakoa. They are really taking the superior too seriously and unirocally

[RachelGrey]

If you can't see the difference between Polaris saying "Ugh, I hate these humans who have tried to exterminate me a thousand times" but without doing anything directly malicious towards them and ORCHID building a giant genocidal robot, then I don't know what to say.

It's like #NotAllHumans

And Polaris and Emma were there at the moment the people of Genosha were killed en mass all around them. Their powers saved them from the genocide but they were forced to watch it happen all around them using weapons that the humans had built for this very purpose. Polaris woke up in the rubble of a building with people dead all around her, and Emma woke up in her school classroom where all the children she was teaching were reduced to ash by the human made weapons. Even worse for Emma she would have heard the screams of everyone dying in her mind as everyone in the country was executed.

[zinderel]

It might be an impossibility, but if it happens...IF IT HAPPENS...IF the X-Men begin killing human babies born by mistake in Krakoa for being inconvenient to the mutant narrative.....will you deem it acceptable compared to the human attitude you harp about? Will you justify it as eye-for-eye? Will you support it and praise it? WILL YOU?

If this be 'Hot Takes,' the let it be HOT TAKES! I changed my signature for the sake of my sentiments.

First, it is totally, COMPLETELY reasonable to assume that a mainstream comic owned by Disney is going to have its heroes commit infanticide, so this is a reasonable thought experiment, for sure...

But of COURSE no one would be fine with that! The REALITY is that 616 adult humans have ALWAYS been pro-genocide for mutants. Have always happily stood by while sentinels murder entire countries, have happily exposed their children to unknown chemicals that promise to ‘cure’ the evil mutant gene of evil, have blithely ignored the murder of children by religious fanatics. This is canonical reality, not some fever fantasy of an online theory.

And despite all of this, the X-Men have stood, TIME AND AGAIN, in the gap, protecting the same humans who NEVER change. Now, they have a chance to focus on THEIR future, and they STILL put ‘protect humanity and Earth’ at the top of their priority list.

But sure, infanticide sounds like a reasonable leap from there..

What you are in a panic about is like the worst sort of homophobic fearmongering in the real world. “If the gays stop being afraid of the straights murdering them and organize, there will be SO many molested children! When that comes to pass, will you be so proud you stood for gay tights THEN?! WILL YOU?!”

I mean, come on...

[Londo Bellian]

I won't bother arguing with you anymore, it makes me just as angry as it does to argue with a Holocaust denier or any other genocide denier in the last 150 years. The Holocaust didn't happen, the Armenian Genocide didn't happen, the Rwandan Genocide didn't happen.

For what it's worth, I believe in the genocides happening. The fact that I'm neither American nor European and have lived in a region of my home country with an ongoing separatist insurgency made me a believer in the mass-murder depravities of man.

But you haven't answered my question. Has it been depicted that Shogo is still living with Jubilee in Krakoa despite being HUMAN? Were the rules bent for them? Was it confirmed?

Yes, then I'm back to being somewhat cautious. No, then I stand by my hill.

[Glio]

I remind you that Kitty Pryde and Illyana had to save a girl of seven or eight years old who was abandoned on Monster Island by her human parents for being a mutant.

Bringing together parents who want the best for their children and ensuring their safety and parents who only want to take them off, Krakoa is going to be full of children without the need for anything dark behind. Especially since now they are not going to be 99% American, but internationally. They have much more room than the Mansion X.

[spirit2011]

For what it's worth, I believe in the genocides happening. The fact that I'm neither American nor European and have lived in a region of my home country with an ongoing separatist insurgency made me a believer in the mass-murder depravities of man.

But you haven't answered my question. Has it been depicted that Shogo is still living with Jubilee in Krakoa despite being HUMAN? Were the rules bent for them? Was it confirmed?

Yes, then I'm back to being somewhat cautious. No, then I stand by my hill.

We saw Shogo e jubilee on krakoa in the preview pages.

Would be very wrong gt away with humans kids from the mutants, we know tha tmutants can conceive human kids