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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    Just because they don't show gore and gratuitous sex doesn't mean that the stories aren't written with adults in mind. Again, many of the stories touch on themes that would kind of go over a child's head. Themes like the line between heroism and brutality (Action 775), like the responsibility that comes with being someone like Superman, and like the fact that even immense power doesn't mean you can do everything (Peace on Earth). Why don't you go poll the average age of Superman readers? I'm sure you'll find that they skew toward adults.



    DC has content that they market to kids. But the main DC universe comics have long skewed toward more comprehensive storytelling that is more in line with mature readers. Its not because there's gratuitous content, it's because the format and themes are more in line with things adults appreciate. And that's a good thing. Things like the MCU wouldn't have been possible if comics hadn't moved in that direction. Tell me, is the MCU just for kids?



    No, it's not because every time Superman flies into a country, he's not laying claim to a part of it. He doesn't fly into Iran and say "Tehran is mine now." Plus, by your logic, many immigrants would be deemed "enemies of the state."



    No, you haven't because your explanation STILL doesn't make sense. Again, the U.S. government would NOT BE OKAY with Metropolis just up and leaving. In no world would that just be accepted. What world do you live in?? A city that is part of a larger country doesn't just get to decide everything that happens to it by virtue of it being part of that larger country.

    1) If you pay attention to any historical issue, you will see there's a long history of local governments trying to fight the federal government on a lot of things and losing. Many southern states and cities tried to cling to Jim Crow during the Civil Rights era only for those laws to be struck down.

    2) Regional commerce would absolutely be disrupted for obvious reasons. A major commercial hub literally changing location would tend to dirupt commercial routes.

    3) No matter how much clout you think Superman has, the U.S. no doubt has more and would be able to block both recognition by other countries and UN membership



    Oh my god, YES HE DOES!! Clark is still a citizen of this country, subject to laws just like all of us. He doesn't go out and murder people who he thinks are bad, does he? Ergo, he cares about a society with law and order. There's a difference between wanting a fair society and being a plain anarchist.


    Ok, why the facepalm mates. Tell me you weren't one of the people advocating for the trunks?i haven't said anything that's factually wrong


    Yeah! Right, it can be said, it's for 13 or 15 year olds but that ain't mature, mate. It's like saying shonen is for mature audiences. Only ignorant people would say that, shonen is boy's manga. It's for boys, not men though men can read it. Comics are like that. Gratuitous sex or violence isn't what i am talking about. Have you read berserk or seinen manga? Have you atleast played darks souls? It's inpired by berserk. I would say, watchmen is mature.Not monthly comics, they aren't mature. Not even close. The storylines you mentioned like pornoshoot aren't mature but stupid. Action comics 775 isn't mature. It's for what? 13 to 17 year old demographic. Peace on earth too,but i would say it can be read by younger kids of 10.

    No, when was the last a superman comic book was written with kids in mind,but can be enjoyable by everyone. And i am not speaking currently. Currently there are. No, mcu is for teens. I don't think it's mature. Hello! Incredibles is for kids. But, it can be watched by anyone. ET, iron giant.. Etc the list is long. This notion stories that are written with kids on the mind can't appeal to everyone is false. Superman is such a character. People have just shoved him into a space where he isn't needed. Heck! Superman smashes the klan is treat even for adults. Teens want more edge and angst other things. Superman ain't going to be that.kids want imagination, heart, a good tought... Etc. Superman is all of that. He can't do "i am the best at what i do. And what i do isn't nice."

    Laying claim or not. Doesn't matter. The charges are still the same. He is effectively the states enemy. Your claim that superman isn't that level or scale a criminal is false. Immigrants that cross borders without permission are effectively criminals by the states standards. But they might not be treated harshly because of conventions and state policy. It's also a different deal, superman is also security threat. He is effectively a living weapon.
    So? If they are'nt okay. They aren't okay. Why should it matter to the citizens of the city? It would just be disappointing. Continuing as part of the US would have been something better. But, if US government doesn't care for it. Then that's on them.
    1)they didn't have freaking superman. The states that wanted liberty were because they wanted to practice slavery, racial segregation.. Etc which is against the ethos of the US. They weren't fighting for a just cause. Superman and citizens of Metropolis aren't fighting against the ethos or against even the constitution's principles. They are fighting for the ethos of it. If the federal government is against liberty and pursuit of happiness. If they are against the choice and right of individuals to a better life. Then its on them. Superman and people of Metropolis would kick US government's ass and make them realise their folly.
    2)Routes won't have to change. Clark has brainiac tech, teleportation fields, levitation tech.. Etc all is at the city's disposal.
    3)us government can try miserably for a while and then give up. You do know that US has enemies. They would atleast go with Metropolis just to spite US. But, i don't think superman really would go for siding with any country. He would be neutral .the US might be permanent member. But that wouldn't mean a damn if superman is the opposition. There would be enough pressure building. If the US had chosen war then more so. I don't think US would want to go through all the trouble and only to get embarrassed at the end. And for what? a small city. It's not like they can take on Superman who is protecting something with all his might. He is the most powerful being on the planet. He has the most advanced tech in the world. He would have allies. Even, if lex joins the opposition. Clark would still prevail.

    Sure, if you say so. But, i don't think so. Vigilante superman fights for the weak to get strong and ideals he was raised with. Not laws. Laws are just tools to serve justice. If it doesn't. Superman wouldn't care for such laws. As for social order, order based on tyranny will be rejected. Otherwise, superman works for social order. He doesn't Kill because of morality, not because of law or fear of violent repercussions, It is the same for luffy. There is a difference between that and what you are suggesting . An agent of Anarchy, like luffy fits clark quite nicely. Bruce would be proud . I mean, he isn't controlling superman.

    The champion of the oppressed aka the man of action vs the man who will be king of the pirates, monkey d luffy.The straw hat and s both are passed down legacy. They have a meaning.originally superman was the man of action and of few words, like luffy.
    "Destiny, Fate, Dreams, These unstoppable ideals are held deep in the heart of man; as long as there are people who seek freedom in this life; these things shall not vanish from the earth" - gold roger
    Superman is a man who breaks chains. But, chooses to not break some because of love, friendship, morality, limitations... Etc

    I just realised this, seems early similar to moses's story. Go figure! Why didn't i think of it sooner? It is moses's story. I am not a Christian, jew or Islamic. That must have been why i didn't see it earlier. Wow! This is some kind of wierd coincidence. I guess, the original characterisation of superman stuck in my head isn't wrong.
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