X-Men #1 Discussion Thread [Spoilers]

[jwatson]

Seems there was a misinterpretation on my part. My apologies.

it happens. i have a bad habit of taking things too literal myself sometimes.

[JKtheMac]

I like happy endings so I kind of hope we find out that Karima is a double agent. It's not like Xavier hasn't used double agents before, he used Tessa/Sage as his agent inside the Hellfire Club for years.

That was my very first thought, but it seems highly unlikely now the themes are more fully developed.

[Dante Milton]

I like happy endings so I kind of hope we find out that Karima is a double agent. It's not like Xavier hasn't used double agents before, he used Tessa/Sage as his agent inside the Hellfire Club for years.

I thought about that as a possibility as well, but given what we've seen in Moira's previous lives and about Homo novissima, Karima's exclusion from the X-Men seems like a purposeful exile. Also there was that brief scene in HoX #3 about picking sides.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

I thought about that as a possibility as well, but given what we've seen in Moira's previous lives and about Homo novissima, Karima's exclusion from the X-Men seems like a purposeful exile. Also there was that brief scene in HoX #3 about picking sides.

Karima was really tight with Magneto and Xavier, so it would really sting if those two turned on her in some way.

[CGAR]

Didn't she turn on them though? By being involved with Orchis and Mother Mold. I mean if she was really tight with Magento and Xavier shouldn't she have told them about Mother Mold?

[Askani's Flame]

There are a number of things surrounding Karima that have felt off since House of X started. We don't know why after having the Omega Sentinel programming rendered inert it turned back on. We don't know how much Karima is in there vs the programming. I felt that Kurt's interaction with her at the Orchis station was written OOC as I would have expected him to reason with her or converse with her more. I'm fascinated by the road trip that Hickman is taking us on, I just feel like we need to know how we got in the car at some point and I hope flashbacks will do that for us.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Didn't she turn on them though? By being involved with Orchis and Mother Mold. I mean if she was really tight with Magento and Xavier shouldn't she have told them about Mother Mold?

HOX #3 implied through the dialogue between Karima and Kurt that Karima had been turned away or set aside in some way by the X-men. My guess is that it was a combination of krakoa's 'mutants only' stance along with the controversy Karima's sentinel tech would cause among the population. If I remember correctly, Mystique hated her guts just for being a prime sentinel.

[Triniking1234]

I don't have a problem with Karima relapsing into an Omega Sentinel but I'm surprised she went straight to Orchis instead of acting on her own.

Oh well, In Hickman I trust.

[JKtheMac]

There are a number of things surrounding Karima that have felt off since House of X started. We don't know why after having the Omega Sentinel programming rendered inert it turned back on. We don't know how much Karima is in there vs the programming. I felt that Kurt's interaction with her at the Orchis station was written OOC as I would have expected him to reason with her or converse with her more. I'm fascinated by the road trip that Hickman is taking us on, I just feel like we need to know how we got in the car at some point and I hope flashbacks will do that for us.

Hickman has made it pretty clear the implied backstory will remain just that. We won’t see this kind of scene. It isn’t OOC it just implies that something has happened that makes the appropriate in-character response this one.

We will learn what has happened through normal interaction and standard storytelling.

[tuck frump]

Theres a third party involved that we dont know abt. In HoX #1 Karima's affiliation is "unkown" in the data pages. In HoX #4 she tells Gregor shes only on the Forge as an observer. Hinting that she must be reporting to someone. In XM #1 she calls Orchis an experiment. If shes the microscope observing them there has to be a doctor involved.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Even without the possibility of being pushed out as an excuse, Karima would have eventually gone heel. Think about it: She's died at least four times either because of or at the hands of a mutant, and every time she came back, there's canonically been less Karima and more Omega Sentinel. She barely has any memories of being human, and in fact can barely recall her time as an X-man. She's not Jean Grey, she's Beric Dondarian. Death lessens her.

[spirit2011]

Even without the possibility of being pushed out as an excuse, Karima would have eventually gone heel. Think about it: She's died at least four times either because of or at the hands of a mutant, and every time she came back, there's canonically been less Karima and more Omega Sentinel. She barely has any memories of being human, and in fact can barely recall her time as an X-man. She's not Jean Grey, she's Beric Dondarian. Death lessens her.

Omegal sentinels go back to factory programming. Karima can't change her nature (even if artifitial)

we saw her in the future working with Nimrod to hunt mutants

[Havok83]

Karima has ALWAYS betrayed the X-men. I dont get why anyone is surprised/disappointed, nor why they continue to give her multiple chances to try and kill them. I dont beleive there hasnt been a stint that hasnt ended that way. She may have been accepted into their ranks in the past but she is and always will be a sentinel and as such a natural enemy to mutantkind. I dont believe she can ever truly be reformed bc she is a machine who's programming is strong and easily susceptible to being corrupted back to its original directive

[tuck frump]

Thats like saying Polaris betrayed the XMen when Malice possessed her or Storm betrayed the XMen when Emma switched their bodies.
Karima is very much a victim in this situation.

[jamesslow]

Theres a third party involved that we dont know abt. In HoX #1 Karima's affiliation is "unkown" in the data pages. In HoX #4 she tells Gregor shes only on the Forge as an observer. Hinting that she must be reporting to someone. In XM #1 she calls Orchis an experiment. If shes the microscope observing them there has to be a doctor involved.

I agree. Karima did not at all participate in defending the Forge, when her superior firepower would have made all the difference and likely saved that Mother Mold