X-Men #1 Discussion Thread [Spoilers]

[Glio]

Which they're only giving out as a trade. They aren't free.

* Marvel humans *
-Hum, we can choose between continuing to annihilate mutants or have a universal antibiotic, live longer and cure mental illnesses. Hard decision.

[Havok83]

It's the very fact that Karima is a victim that's the reason why the X-Men shouldn't turn their backs on her. She didn't choose to become an Omega Sentinel, it was forced on her and, unlike the likes of Mystique, Sabretooth, Lady Mastermind, etc, she doesn't choose to betray the X-Men either. The second that the X-Men just flat out turn their backs on a victim, regardless of what they've become, they no longer have any right to call themselves heroes because at that point, they've become everything they ever fought against as they consider themselves as more important than the plight of the innocent. They have a means of saving her, it's just a matter of how far they're willing to stretch their mutants first and foremost attitude in the face of a victim that they have the power to help.

I should clarify that Karima was a victim. The original human is dead. This isnt like trying to reform a villian like Mystique and Magneto, whom have agency and can choose for themselves. Karima is a sentinel programmed to kill the X-men. Everytime they take her in, they only delay the inevitable which is to try and kill them. Again, it happens every time. No one is truly safe around her

[PsychoEFrost]

* Marvel humans *
-Hum, we can choose between continuing to annihilate mutants or have a universal antibiotic, live longer and cure mental illnesses. Hard decision.

That sounds dumb, but remember that there is a sizable portion of the current American electorate that support everything the current administration does because it "triggers the liberals". Sometimes hate really does overtake reason.

[Glio]

That sounds dumb, but remember that there is a sizable portion of the current American electorate that support everything the current administration does because it "triggers the liberals". Sometimes hate really does overtake reason.

*Coughing blood because of tuberculosis, you have no medical insurance and you will die* **** those Krakoa mutants.

[PsychoEFrost]

*Coughing blood because of tuberculosis, you have no medical insurance and you will die* **** those Krakoa mutants.

When horrible political and economic decisions are made, it is rarely the people who make these decisions that suffer for it.

[tuck frump]

Has Hickman or anyone commented on this possible swinging door in the Summers household? I'm curious if any of the folks at Marvel have commented.

Hickman tweeted a fanedit of Emma proclaiming "I **** redheads" when HoX #5 came out. He also said he was going to reinvent the way mutants experience love before HoXPoX started. Its barely subtext at this point.

[Rosebunse]

* Marvel humans *
-Hum, we can choose between continuing to annihilate mutants or have a universal antibiotic, live longer and cure mental illnesses. Hard decision.

I can't argue with that.

But at the same time, the X-Men are basically setting up shop in each country whether they are wanted there or not.

[Astroman]

Hickman tweeted a fanedit of Emma proclaiming "I **** redheads" when HoX #5 came out. He also said he was going to reinvent the way mutants experience love before HoXPoX started. Its barely subtext at this point.

Looking forward to what he explores!

[Kurolegacy]

I should clarify that Karima was a victim. The original human is dead. This isnt like trying to reform a villian like Mystique and Magneto, whom have agency and can choose for themselves. Karima is a sentinel programmed to kill the X-men. Everytime they take her in, they only delay the inevitable which is to try and kill them. Again, it happens every time. No one is truly safe around her

Is she though? Because it seems like every time that it seems that the sentinel programming has taken over, that her original personality returns at some point. Karima May be a sentinel, but she’s also a human being. As such, she can be saved, but the question is, are the X-Men willing to do what they can to help her? Honestly, if Hickman is condemning her for something that isn’t her fault, she never chose to be and has tried to rise up from, he’s doing a massive disservice to both her character and message of the franchise itself of that you may not have a choice in what you become, but you can choose what to do with it. That doesn’t fall solely on mutants.

[powerpax]

What exactly can they do to help Karima? Given the Omega Sentinel infographic presented in HoX/PoX?

[hawkeyefan]

Incredible that a room schematic has caused such debate. Genius.

I can't see how anyone can't look at all of this as the redefining moment that it is. Looking at the whole poly question as an example, there's so much in the actual book to support it. It's not definitively stated, though, so we don't know if it will become an actual plot point going forward.

Think about it....if you were given a paradise to live in peace, a place where miracles are commonplace and where you will not die.....repeat YOU WILL NOT DIE......how would you not reevaluate some of your thinking? How would it even be possible for you to remain the same person? The idea is ludicrous.

Cyclops's comments to Polaris in this issue.....that seems like what he's done. He's reevaluated his thinking in light of the new developments with Krakoa. He's focusing on what makes him happy, and not on what doesn't. Don't his words seemingly apply to the poly situation, as well?

But further....is there any doubt that Hickman is using some really heavy biblical imagery? Eden is a paradise like Heaven. The mutants are immortal, like those who dwell in Heaven. They are beyond the mortal world....man's world. Is there a place for jealousy in such a world? Is there not room for more love?

I mean, everything shown about Cyclops in this issue is meant to show him as being as far from what we'd call "normal" as possible. And yet, it's all done with the intention of showing that no matter how different it may be, no matter how bizarre all the connections he has to his family members may be....at the end of the day, he's just a guy doing dishes after dinner.

Based on all of this, I have no doubt that the poly angle is intentional. It's there for those who notice. For those who want to ignore it, it's easy to do so (so far at least). I think it's silly to deny that Hickman is at least hinting at this, but hey, if they never come right out and say it, you can probably continue to deny.

[tuck frump]

They havent even attacked her. Not to mention theyre not the ones responsible for turning her into a sentinel in the first place. Humans are.

[Kurolegacy]

What exactly can they do to help Karima? Given the Omega Sentinel infographic presented in HoX/PoX?

She was originally human and Sinister has a catalogue of everyone on the planet. Same way that they revive mutants, they can save her. It’s just a matter of if they’re willing to in order to help a victim.

[tuck frump]

Oh, they save their own. How noble of them.

Literally defenseless children. Lmao.

[hawkeyefan]

What exactly can they do to help Karima? Given the Omega Sentinel infographic presented in HoX/PoX?

It's a good question. We don't know how much of that infographic they actually know. They may not know if she is beyond saving or not. To them, it simply seems like she's chosen sides.

I actually like how she's been portrayed so far. She's with Orchis, but has also advocated for the mutants in ways. And she hasn't taken much direct action against the mutants. To me, that hints that either she isn't as far gone into the Omega process as we think, or she has an agenda of her own. We'll see.