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“And I urge you to please notice when you are happy, and exclaim or murmur or think at some point, 'If this isn't nice, I don't know what is.” ― Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Sure, we Don't know 100% whether they went to the Mainland or not. Personally, I doubt they did. And chance are, they didn't go on the Mainland, since apparently according to some other poster, Magneto was stating a law to the UN ambassadors, not just empty words: Brian Braddock was barred from the Mainland because of his sapien status.
Because the X-Men should know better than consider a terror group racially motivated against mutants for anything but that: a terror group racially motivated against mutants. Not "'Humanity's' defenders". LOL. They are litteraly extremists of the worst kind, so I'd rather laugh than think too long about the implication of your words.
Not gonna think too long about the implication of those words either, especially given how many people here are projecting real-world issues on this particular series of comics.
I'm just gonna point out, regarding your whole "I hope people championing that stance are advocating for the abolition of all national borders irl" that :
1. IRL, total travel ban toward one particular group of people (whether based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion) isn't something particularly celebrated at least in my country, let alone practiced profusely. To see fictional characters like the X-Men practice it, and real people support such a stance is jarring.
2. IRL, there's a world of shades existing between total travel ban (what the Kraked are doing in their fictional land) and abolition of all national borders (what you are implying I'm supporting IRL). It's so binary it's laughable. Again, lack of NUANCE all around, not only in the comics but even among those discussing them I see… There are such things as VISAS to allow people to visit family members or friends in most countries IRL for those who didn't know (somehow), a thing that I'm sure is practised by Marvel countries as well.
Bottom line being: allowing sapiens on the Mainland is a far cry from "advocating the abolition of all national borders" fictional or real ones. That's a false equivalency. And that's ridiculous. The mutants have total control over who gets in or out of Krakoa, they have telepaths, empaths, and all sort of other mutants with useful powers regarding security in this context.
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"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
This exactly why I said what I said but at least now I get to break out my new example. A husband and wife are together. The husband is a violent alcoholic who beats his wife when drunk. She moves to a new house with kids. The husband is not allowed in that house. She talks to the husband in public, allows the kids to see him public, They go to a marriage counselor together BUT she has no proof that he has stopped drinking. So he is not allowed in her house. The husband is the humans,The wife is mutants and her house in Krakoa.
You guys argument is that the wife needs to let the husband in the house. The husband is entitled to go inside of the house because they are married. You wouldn't tell a woman to let her abusive husband who has shown no signs of change into her and her kids safe place. And you and others suggest that what if after abusing wife already the husband calls his friends and tells them to ban his wife from going into place in town because he is can't get into the house. It is only fair that she can't be comfortable either. I don't know how much more clear this needs to be said.
People are free to think about what the want about X-men and this run Hickman is himself basic said he hopes this divides fans so thinkinf that X-men are bad/suspect is intended but this one point though people are dead wrong imo.
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My bad I thought u said u voted against no borders.
Its one of those instances where the mutants as a minority metaphor doesnt work. Same as when the anti mutant vaccine plot had unfortunate implications regarding the pro vaxxer/anti vaxxer argument. The way I look at it is its escapist fantasy for oppressed groups.
“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
“And I urge you to please notice when you are happy, and exclaim or murmur or think at some point, 'If this isn't nice, I don't know what is.” ― Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
How is it contradictory, your assuming everyone who feels that it's okay for Krakoa to have closed borders didn't think it was okay for other countries to have closed borders. That in of itself is an over reaching statement because it not only takes out the individuals themselves but each particular person's reason for why they voted and lumps and entirety of people together. For instance i believe in borders but i don't believe in building a wall to enforce those borders or blanketly keeping out one type of person because of their skin color but i might feel differently if it was factual that that particular group of people were killing specific people in droves, not only killing but targetting them, that changes the conversation imo.
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And that too is lumping a group of people in without thinking of the reasons. Maybe some don't want it to happen because they have family in those surrounding countries so it's easier to travel to see them. Maybe some don't want it because they are living a good life as is and don't want to rock the boat. Other people can be against it just on principal. Then you have those against it cause they like to stir things up. Then there are those who worry they may be in a weaker position to get deals with other countries. Just like on the flip side there could be just as many reasons for why so many do want it both good and bad. So your still lumping everyone together like one voice is all voices but it's not the case.
Don't let anyone else hold the candle that lights the way to your future because only you can sustain the flame.
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“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
Except, over here, it wasn't ok to want that, even on the basis of security measures. The idea of restricting freedom of movement was what was seen as xenophobic and racist because it was barring us from celebrating unity between our EU neighbours. I didn't mean to lump everyone who voted either way into one collective voice, I was just commenting on what the general opinion in the media and from online discussion was in regards to that particular argument?