I am hoping that Jean gets to be a bit independent in X-Force, even if she is casually dating Logan and Scott. The subtext of the rooms is funny, but it could be that everyone is just taking it slow to figure out where things go and they might be casually dating without any commitments right now. It's hard to figure out where Jean is at as a character at the moment until I get some more dialogue and action from her. So far I am not sure if she is herself, but I could be completely wrong and we find out that she is still the strong Jean she has always been. I guess we'll see in the upcoming issues.
We are MUTANT..Krakoa, FOREVER!!! “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité”
I'm here for the Save-the-world-and-each-other heroics.
The X-Family Dynamic/Interaction is integral and we got a beauty-full display of that in this X-Men 01 so definitely more of that, please.
But...
I can absolutely live without the romantic/sexual relationships that, if not done well and purposefully, drags the X-Men franchise down to Day-time soap-opera schlock levels and detracts from the overall story being told. (case in point...that single Krakoa Habitat diagram shown...to which I will add, I do hope HiX-Man keeps the Scott+Jean+Logan sitch as vague and speculative as possible).
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Lord Ewing *Praise His name! Uplift Him in song!* Your divine works will be remembered and glorified in worship for all eternity. Amen!
That was childish, that is why OMD is one of the worse.
Keep it as vague is just not good.
Casually dating isn't Jean at all. It's been very clear what Jean wanted all this time. Now if a writer want to ignore that? it depends. Put her in doubt with Wolverine and and Scott, is completely contradicted by decades of canon.
Go for Jean interested on other guy, owuld be more interested.
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Oh, I am well aware of what the mutants went through during the last decade of publication. Thank you for assuming I didn't because I happen to not share your p.o.v., that's charming really.
You asked me the other day what was more moral than helping your people.
I answered you yesterday: helping people even when they are not YOUR people.
I realize you Don't like that answer, but you can rephrase your question as many times as you want, my answer will remain the same.
You are saying Xavier's dream isn't adapted to the world the X-Men currently live in.
Killerbee, it NEVER WAS adapted to their world in the first place.
Progress in general is never easy nor at times, welcome by society.
It's a fight.
That's the Reason it Always has been a struggle to grow and protect Xavier's dream, a fight the X-Men were willing to spearhead because they believed in it wholeheartedly.
Xavier's dream has ALWAYS been challenged, from day one.
Facing obstacles, and controversy, and adversarial conditions, enemies both within and external to mutantkind…
You'll find angry mobs, hunter robots and extremists just the same in early publications of the serie.
Oh yes, they were goofier and more flamboyant than the "dark and edgy" versions they faced last decade, and the status quo is as dire as it can get.
Still.
It was hardship as well, yet the X-Men committed to achieve Xavier's dream all the same.
Facing hardship and difficulties was never EVER a Reason for the X-Men to abandon Xavier's dream altogether, even during their darkest times.
They never lacked conviction.
You are trying to justify the abandonment ("they are adjusting") of said commitment by Calling it obsolete and inadapted in the face of "dark times". You are welcome to try, but I Don't have to smile and applaud over said abandonment just because you think that's the right path to walk for them. I really Don't.
Also, fans are people with brains and tremendous commitment for this franchise.
What they "need" is to be able to express themselves, express what they think even if it's not "mainstream", without people randomly telling them what they are or are not allowed to think from the events unfolding in this serie, mob-mentality style.
Yeah no, first off no one is questionning the creation of yet another mutant nation in Krakoa, it's been done before multiple times and it will be done multiple times after this iteration.
Second, as I said before, Xavier's dream has Always been at odds with the world around it, that's precisely why the X-Men have been fighting for it so hard from their inception.
They were willing to bled for it, to lay their lives in its pursuit, to tremendous sacrifices.
The mutants staying between themselves on an island forbidden to anyone that is not mutant is, de facto, isolation and segregation .
It flies in the face of Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistence every step of the way.
It's an insult to all the X-Men who bled and died for it all these years.
Xavier's dream, his efforts and those of his X-Men didn't "let" any of those events happen.
That's a twisted rewriting of history, of how these events unfolded and pretending they wouldn't have occured if a mutant nation like Krakoa had existed at the time is a logical fallacy.
You seem to come from a place where you hold Xavier's dream responsible for anything bad that has happened to mutantkind, either directly or indirectly. That's just … no. I won't even say unfair - that's just flat out false.
To say they didn't do enough to help makes little sense too.
Of course they didn't do enough to help because, as long as Xavier's dream isn't achieved, what they do will NEVER be enough. That's par for the course as X-Men, for anyone setting goals they want to reach really. You can't hold that over their heads when, until Hickman, they've Always been shown fighting for it, that's absurd. Well, obviously you can since you are doing just that, begrudging them that, but that's pretty unfair IMO.
A. Already been done multiple time before.
B. Already been done multiple time before. Again.
The difference here is the craft put in the conception of the mutant nation, with an exceptionnnal world-Builder like Hickman at the helm. Just so you know.
You being a reader for so long yet unable to understand why the X-Men giving up on what makes them THEM is quite sad actually. If the X-Men giving up on Xavier's dream to grow comfortable with segregating themselves from sapiens on their island, with passive-agressive contempt or hatred in full display down to the kids on said island isn't a red flag to you, Nothing ever will be.
Not that I'm particularly surprised given you consider "Magneto's dream" as "reasonable" (!!!) and just went on insulting Xavier's vision the last paragraph.
Ah, yes. Marvel 616 entire world being Modern Darfur.
You seem to deal in absolutes when it comes to sapiens and Believe it justified. With such extreme stance, I'm starting to think this convo is impossible Indeed.
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"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
Well said People of The Earth, cool, glad to hear from someone with the same reservations as me on HiX-Mens take on the X-Men.
Especially love this truth;
The X-Characters spouting "my people" sound off, insular, teen angsty, these aren't teenage mutant hero mutants anymore.You asked me the other day what was more moral than helping your people.
I answered you yesterday: helping people even when they are not YOUR people.
I realize you Don't like that answer, but you can rephrase your question as many times as you want, my answer will remain the same.
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“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
Wow, Kurt lookin' kinda fresh, though...
I don't blind date I make the direct market vibrate
Kurt looks so young. Sometimes it is difficult to know how old is he.
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yeah and she also worked with agents of the American Government and an AI Sentinel to create a new version and deadlier version of the Legacy Virus to deploy across the entire Earth.
Then after all the X-Men disappeared from the world in Uncanny the United States passed a law where all mutants had to be detained and forcibly cured, and killed if they resisted being cured.
We are MUTANT..Krakoa, FOREVER!!! “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité”