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    Default MCU Avengers versus Team Kongou Banchou

    The battle takes place in the middle of a deserted Ashina Castle from Sekiro. The two teams will start off on opposite sides of the castle and must find and defeat each other.

    Team MCU
    Captain America with Mjolnir
    Thor with Stormbreaker
    Iron Man in his Bleeding Edge suit from Endgame
    Ant-Man
    Captain Marvel
    Hulk (Professor variant)
    Black Panther

    Team MCU start off in the Serpent Temple to the rear of the castle. They get a basic overview of their opponents and are given a map of Ashina Castle as resources for a five minute strategy meeting.


    Team Kongou Banchou
    Kongou Banchou (circa his battle with Hakai Banchou)
    Nenbutsu Banchou
    Hikyou Banchou
    Iai Banchou
    Gouriki Banchou
    Machine Banchou
    Sasori Banchou

    Team Kongou Banchou start off in the battlefield at the front gates of the castle. Similarly, they get a basic overview of their opponents and are given a map of Ashina Castle as resources for a five minute strategy meeting. All Banchou are at their highest levels of displayed power, with the exception of Kongou who is limited to the levels shown in his fight with Hakai Banchou.

    Which team of noble guardians wins the day?

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    i was looking for a reason to re-read kongou banchou.

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    I'm assuming that the Banchou team are pretty damn niche so I'll do an overview of their abilities here. I can give more specific feats if required.

    Kongou Banchou (circa his battle with Hakai Banchou)

    Approximately 10 feet tall and a big old brick. Akira Kongou is a massively superstrong brick with reasonable super speed and pretty high end regeneration. At the time of his battle with Hakai Banchou, he was capable of healing from two broken legs in approximately 15 seconds and was throwing hands hard enough to make earthquakes that were felt on mainland Japan. He's absurdly durable, Bakunetsu Banchou and himself were hitting each other with cruise missiles that then detonated and neither of them cared. Akira then dropped Bakunetsu in one serious hit.

    He also has Arakure (Violent/Rowdy) mode where his skin turns iron red and he becomes much larger and stronger. He's destroyed building sized robots in this form, obliterated bricks that were stronger than his base form and his strength has been noted as more than tripling.

    He's also fast enough to run on water and dodge people with blink-movement style super speed consistently.

    Nenbutsu Banchou

    Raionji uses his powerful lungs to launch powerful sound attacks. These attacks can shatter boulders, destroy robot automatons, blast through multiple inch thick bulletproof glass and, at his highest, he held off the swinging fist of a 300 metre tall giant who was capable of decimating a city with his attack. He wasn't able to stop it but he slowed it down though it took everything he had to do so.

    He's got ambiguously high super strength and his durability is such that he's capable of taking hits from bricks on Akira's level without dying though it does mess him up.

    Hikyou Banchou

    Prep master, surprise attack specialist and highly dangerous hand to hand fighter. Hikyou Banchou primarily uses a titanium thorned whip, super durable wires attached to his fingers that can cleave through super durable opponents like cheese and also set on fire. He also regularly employs poison, anesthetic, throwing knives, landmines, disguises and other such tricks. He also has the ability to apparently set up pitfall, spike and dart traps with great speed. Finally, one of his hands contains an armour piercing grenade cannon.

    His physical stats are such that he can beat down ambiguously metahuman opponents, blitz metahuman opponents and hold his own with blink-type speedsters.

    Iai Banchou

    A high level anime samurai. Iai Banchou cuts through stone, steel, buildings, super durable opponents and has speed feats for days. Capable of fighting blinded with no issue and has all sorts of surprising techniques.

    Arguably the fastest member of the team. He can do blink type movement, do dozens of slashes in an instant and other such stuff.

    Gouriki Banchou

    Another brick, in this case with exceptional durability. Blessed with a 'hyperion constitution' Gouriki Banchou effortlessly hefts weaponry that weighs tens of tons, punches people to other prefectures and is so naturally durable that spikes that go through solid lumps of iron can't even break her skin. Her highest strength feat is catching the fist of a 300 metre tall giant who was wrecking a city with single hits.

    She's got broadly ambiguous enhanced speed but her brick status is her main thing.

    Machine Banchou

    High level brick, roughly akin to base level Kongou Banchou. He's a robot so he can fly at likely a couple of mach, shoot 2,000,000 volts of electricity, has rocket fists and the like. He has self-repair nanomachines but they work far too slowly to be relevant to the fight.

    Sasori Banchou

    Reasonably strong brick, was able to fist fight with Akira albeit when he was a fair bit weaker and hold her own. She's eaten hits that see her smashed into a multiple foot deep crater without dying. She's a master of pressure points so she can knock people out on contact, paralyse them and power up her allies by releasing their biological limiters. Her left arm is full of so many bolts and her bones are tough enough that a drill that goes through solid rock like cheese couldn't break it.

    Make of that last part what you will.

    Brief overview for the squad. I can provide more in-depth feats if required.

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    Also, here's a pretty decent respect thread for Kongou Banchou himself.

    Please note the "Awakened Kongou Banchou," section doesn't apply here.

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    Welp, this thread died the final death.

    I'll give my thoughts

    Team MCU
    Captain America with Mjolnir
    Thor with Stormbreaker
    Iron Man in his Bleeding Edge suit from Endgame
    Ant-Man
    Captain Marvel
    Hulk (Professor variant)
    Black Panther

    VERSUS

    Team Kongou Banchou
    Kongou Banchou (circa his battle with Hakai Banchou)
    Nenbutsu Banchou
    Hikyou Banchou
    Iai Banchou
    Gouriki Banchou
    Machine Banchou
    Sasori Banchou

    The Marvel team have flight advantage in both Tony, Thor, Steve(?) and Carol, Machine Banchou is the only guy on the other side who can contest them in the sky and, while he's mad strong and powerful, I don't like his odds of throwing down with the four biggest guns by himself. They also have much great range on their side between Thor, Steve, Tony and Carol all being able to lay down beams and so forth.

    On the flipside, if team Kongou can close range then things get very messy very quickly. Iai is more than fast enough to blitz at close range and lethal enough to kill anyone not metahuman instantly. Hikyou's traps, while not hugely damaging, are quite impressively put together and can sow disruption very quickly. Gouriki and especially Kongou outpace everyone else there in terms of strength and raw durability (by my estimations) and both are quick to worrying degree. Arakure mode is like... that's a big problem right there.

    Overall, I'd quietly back the Marvel side but there's a lot of moving parts to this.

    Like, if Kongou ties up Carol and Thor (something he's fairly capable of doing) then that leaves the rest of the team quite shorthanded.

    Marvel 6/10 for me. That range and flight is pretty nasty.

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    Tell me more about this Nenbutsu character. They stopped a city killing attack from a giant? More context would be nice here =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    Tell me more about this Nenbutsu character. They stopped a city killing attack from a giant? More context would be nice here =)
    Sure thing. Let me get some cans and turn my computer on and I'll provide some scans.

    As noted in my breakdown, Nenbutsu stopping Takeshi's fist was everything he had and he only slowed it rather than actually stopping it.

    It's a wild feat but it's the absolute peak of his power rather than his bread and butter.

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    Alrighty, scans - then I will get cans ^_^

    For scale, Giant Takeshi stomping his foot and the effect it has:



    Nenbutsu squares up. Kongou Banchou has been turned into a small child (don't ask) and Takeshi wants to kill him.





    Note, Nenbutsu is effectively killing himself by doing this. He's incapacitated for the rest of the encounter, had Machine Banchou not interrupted he would have most likely been crushed.

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    As we're in this sequence, I'll also post this of Gouriki catching the fist in question. This seemed like a more serious punch on Takeshi's part so this would be the higher level feat. Also worth noting this took her out of the fight completely:



    Right, now I'm going to get cans.

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    Sorry for the late reply!

    So we've got 2 people who at the absolute peak of their limits can survive force that would turn Captain Marvel into bloody paste.

    Like an 11.7 magnitude earthquake is ludicrous. The Richter Scale uses a logarithmic model. An 11.7 would shift the earth's rotation. Even if we lowball it down to "sends out tsunamis" level, that's still Class 100 Prince Namor nonsense.

    If these Banchou dudes are operating even remotely in the tier required to stop / survive attacks on that level at the epicenter then I dont see team MCU accomplishing much. Maybe Stormbreaker could hurt them?
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    These guys seem on another level than MCU bricks entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    Sorry for the late reply!

    So we've got 2 people who at the absolute peak of their limits can survive force that would turn Captain Marvel into bloody paste.

    Like an 11.7 magnitude earthquake is ludicrous. The Richter Scale uses a logarithmic model. An 11.7 would shift the earth's rotation. Even if we lowball it down to "sends out tsunamis" level, that's still Class 100 Prince Namor nonsense.

    If these Banchou dudes are operating even remotely in the tier required to stop / survive attacks on that level at the epicenter then I dont see team MCU accomplishing much. Maybe Stormbreaker could hurt them?
    It's worth noting that Takeshi, the giant in these scans, is ridiculously beyond any force that anyone on Team Kongou Banchou can put out. Nenbutsu holds off his fist for a few seconds at his maximum and collapses from the effort, Gouriki catches it but likewise collapses instantly after. They aren't putting out that level of force on their own or tanking it easily.

    To be clear, durability breaks down like this for the Banchou Team:

    Kongou Banchou - Massively metahuman. Gets hit with missiles and doesn't care, takes a wrecking ball to the face with no issue, fist fights someone hard enough to cause earthquakes and survives albeit the guy was capable of breaking his bones. Also takes a bunch of electricity running through his body and is fine. Arakure mode raises all of his stats. He also regenerates pretty quickly.

    Nenbutsu Banchou - Got powerbombed into a flagstone floor hard enough to make a large crater and was still alive albeit mostly KOed and unable to move. Ambiguously metahuman in terms of durability.

    Hikyou Banchou - Effectively CBPH human. He tends to avoid hits with tricks and the like.

    Iai Banchou - Effectively CBPH human. Kept on trucking with some nasty sword wounds in him.

    Gouriki Banchou - Held off Takeshi's fist as above which didn't kill her but otherwise wiped her out. Metal spikes that pierced through solid iron like cheese couldn't break her skin, arguably the most superhumanly durable person in the team.

    Machine Banchou - Stood in a landslide and just let boulders hit him and they couldn't even move him, eats hits from Kongou Banchou repeatedly without going down. He's also a robot so... generally tough.

    Sasori Banchou - Has specifically very tough bones, a drill that cut through rock easily couldn't break them, fist fought Akira and a didn't die. Took several hits before going down. Got smashed into a solid stone floor into a multiple foot deep crater and was still conscious though unable to fight any more.

    The thing of these teams is that no one person can take out the entirety of the other team easily. Like Carol could just blast someone like Gouriki from the air and Gouriki has no real counter to that beyond jumping good and she would go down. Yes, the bricks are stronger in the Banchou team but they also can't fly, have no range game and have way fewer options than their nearest counterparts on team MCU.

    Remember, the teams do not start off facing each other. I'm aiming for there to be a certain amount of strategy in play here.

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    Carol could blast Goukiri all day long to little effect if her surviving that strike at ground zero is legit. Same with any other projectile. The only thing that might hurt her at that point is maybe Stormbreaker.

    Basically it comes down to if you feel her surviving that level of force is legit or not because nobody on team MCU can dish close to that out.

    Edit: Actually Thor can maybe hit them with they old Bifrost BFR before the close the gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    Carol could blast Goukiri all day long to little effect if her surviving that strike at ground zero is legit. Same with any other projectile. The only thing that might hurt her at that point is maybe Stormbreaker.

    Basically it comes down to if you feel her surviving that level of force is legit or not because nobody on team MCU can dish close to that out.

    Edit: Actually Thor can maybe hit them with they old Bifrost BFR before the close the gap.
    Let me run through the number of times Gouriki was actually hurt in the story:

    - She got taken out by a sustained blast from Machine Banchou's 2,000,000 volt lightning cannon. Dude just turned it on her and kept firing until she stopped twitching. She was unconscious for a couple of hours. Machine Banchou "confirmed" that her heart had stopped but he did the same for the other Banchou he killed and they all got up fine so take that with a grain of salt.
    - Sasori Banchou dropped her by blindsiding her with a pressure point strike. Albeit this was part of releasing her biological limiter so again, salt grains here.
    - She took multiple hits from Hakai Banchou (a dude who makes earthquakes when he fistfights, slaps giant metal weapons hard enough that the shards destroy building sized statues and temporarily KOs Kongou Banchou with effectively a big slap) and while she was knocked down and hurt pretty badly, she wasn't unconscious or killed by it. Hakai Banchou actually expressed surprise that she hadn't "broken" from his hits.
    - See the above Takeshi giant fist catch which she did and was then out of the fight completely.

    Everything else didn't really hurt her significantly. Even Akira hitting her with his Double Hammer was noted later as not actually having damaged her significantly when they fought.

    Basically her whole deal is being absurdly durable.

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    Sounds like BFR is the only shot they have. Guard Thor long enough to get rid of the scarier bricks might work. If they close the gap, team MCU is going to get slapped around.
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