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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    How is it that the SNL version of Matthews is less of a caricature than the real one?
    Chris Matthews has gone insane. For some damn reason I end up watching his show most nights, and he spends the whole time talking over his guests. I guess Chuck Todd must have been taking notes from him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Oh btw the Culinary union that the media made a big fit about Bernie supporters attacking are largely pushing him to victory by all reports
    If it's the case, that wouldn't be much of a shock.

    There was a pretty plausible scenario where that was mostly leadership(on person, in particular, stuck out) leaning towards "Moderate" while they didn't entirely represent realities that membership has worked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Warren blew her best chance to be the nominee when she put out that ridiculous two-stage Medicare for all plan, that everybody saw for the blatant retreat that it was. She got some momentum in the debate, because to be perfectly honest she's really the only candidate that can think up articulate responses to questions on the fly, the rest are mostly limited to spouting prepared talking points. However, I don't think that's going to be enough to revive her candidacy, although she is probably the favorite to score the VP slot if she wants to take that.
    Warren is just in a tough spot.

    Any chance of getting some of the "Moderate" vote will be tempered by the reality that she has to compete with at least three other candidates in order to do so. Any chance of getting folks that are actually "Left Of 'Actual..." Center" voters will be tempered by that she has to compete with someone who probably has the Latinos in that larger group all but sewed up.

    She's just in an unenviable position.

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    One other thing...

    While competing for that "Moderate" vote, she has to deal with Mayor Pete selling that same old "We Can Fix Things That Are Clearly Broken Beyond Repair!!..." garbage that it always looks like "Moderate" Democrats seem to love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    I must agree, she's toast.

    If I had to guess what did her in it was the sexism allegation against Sanders. It backfired terribly. While I'm no fan of Sanders he is not a sexist he is too much of a communist for that. Plus, we have Sanders on record since the 1980s' calling for a female president. As my grandmother always said - "If you tell a lie make sure it is a believable one".
    Yeah, it seems there were four possibilities on that story.

    It could be that Bernie knows that he clearly said that no woman can be President. In that case, he's lying and shouldn't be President.
    It could be that Bernie forgot that he clearly said that no woman can be President. In that case, he shouldn't be President because of the implications (it's careless or worse.)
    It could be that Bernie didn't say that no woman can be President, and Warren made it up. In that case, she's lying and shouldn't be President.
    It could be that Bernie didn't say that no woman can be President but Warren interpreted it that way (the argument that this is her truth.) In that case, she can't appreciate nuance and shouldn't be President.

    Primary voters seem to think the latter two interpretations are more likely.

    That's good news for Bernie since it could have taken out both of them (if primary voters figured they could pick someone else who isn't potentially disqualified by a he said/ she said situation.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Maybe they're not a fan of Bernie? Is such a thing possible?
    That's not it at all. It's deeper than that. If Boot edge edge had won, I'd be dissapointed, but if he showed that he won he first three states and got a plurality of voters, I'd accept the will of the people.

    Except for Bloomberg, so I kinda guess I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Bernie Sanders is doing well, but it is not clear yet that he is winning majorities. He is currently obviously winning pluralities, which is a difference in terms of the argument that he has the will of the people.

    We'll know more when the full results are in, although the main question is how well the campaign did, rather than whether it did well.


    Probably for the same reason it would upset you if the majority of voters were backing Joe Manchin or whatever Democrat you disagree with the most.
    Joe manchin is a shit human being...

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    Decisive win for Bernie tonight. There really isn't any downside to it for him. Buttigieg is going to finish third, Warren's debate performance didn't save her, and Klobuchar is a complete non-factor. It takes him from being the front runner by an edge, to a significant front-runner. The exit polling is very positive for him as well:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...vada-caucuses/

    The turnout numbers for first-timers is a necessary element. Bernie can probably win the nomination without that surge, but he can't win the general unless he turns out all sorts of previously uninvolved people. That's not a controversial stance either, he's said it himself. He got a decent showing among black voters, dominated hispanic voters, and turned out a good percentage of young and first time voters. That is the necessary script to win. The only, even slight, number of concern is that this is the second result in which his support among women isn't as significant as expected. But it's a minor issue at best.

    Nothing is decided until Super Tuesday, but he has a decisive lead as of tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Personal preference. I'd rather it have been Warren in the lead, but like I said it is what it is.
    I kinda answered my own question after looking at the post again.
    But yeah, I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4saken1 View Post
    When has he gotten a majority? I realize that currently he has 54% in Nevada with only 4% reporting, but he hasn't gotten a majority anywhere so far.
    He WON all three states in the beginning of this Primary. IOWA is still not called. After some numbers-crunching he's only .8 SDES behind boot edgedge.

    He won every popular vote so far, but a good chunk of voters. So I have no clue what you're talking about.


    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster View Post
    So basically what this is saying to me is that we still can't get a woman president. It's rather depressing that the likelyhood is that even if you have a woman and a man running for office and they have roughly the same platform, people will just want a man in the position of power.
    We could have had Warren if she had stopped talking about her changing priorities from Progressive values. When she started listening to Clinton, and Obama people is when she started going down. Those same folks tanked Beto.
    Also, as a black man I would love a black or other minority women to be POTUS. But if you don' stand for real values and actual change I don't care what gender you are. You don't get my support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    I wouldn't write her off yet.
    It's hard to see how she comes back at this point. One SOLID debate, and metaphorical murder of Bloomberg brought her to attention, but tonights win stole it back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    Sorry, Tami, I know you are a fan of her but I think Warren is finished. She is barely holding off Sanders in her own state now (some polls say she isn't even doing that much).
    Yep. That was her hold out. If she loses mass or comes in a close first... That's tough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    I know it's not a good thing to speculate about, but what if Sanders has another Heart attack and is forced to drop out due to health issues? Who else except Warren stands a chance of picking up a most of his supporters?

    Worse Case Scenario.
    When Hillary first ran against Obama she stayed in the race longer, because she thought he would be murdered. Please don't say that.


    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Buttigieg should get more than 3 minority supporters before he talks about someone’s campaign not being inclusive. And no white mom’s in the burbs ain’t that
    Facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Oh btw the Culinary union that the media made a big fit about Bernie supporters attacking are largely pushing him to victory by all reports
    Facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    If Elizabeth Warren is still in the race come the NY Primary in April, I will vote for her. That said, if Bernie is the nominee, I will vote for him in November. Understand that this is not a knock on Bernie any more than it was on Hillary when I made a similar statement four years ago. It's basically like having a favorite flavor of ice cream that you always order when you go to an ice cream shop, EXCEPT when they're out of that flavor, so you order your second favorite flavor. You don't hate that second favorite flavor. You just will only order it if your favorite flavor isn't there.
    Facts.

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    I want to see Trump v Sanders in the general election. The Overton Window will be shattered by a Fascist fighting a Communist for control of a major Western Country. I'm so happy Sanders continues to win, it's a sociologist's wet dream.

    PS I don't believe the Russians are helping Sanders or anyone else for that matter. I think it is "Intelligence" BS on par with WMDs in Iraq circa 2002, which is why I've turned it into a running joke, comrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    I want to see Trump v Sanders in the general election. The Overton Window will be shattered by a Fascist fighting a Communist for control of a major Western Country. I'm so happy Sanders continues to win, it's a sociologist's wet dream.

    PS I don't believe the Russians are helping Sanders or anyone else for that matter. I think it is "Intelligence" BS on par with WMDs in Iraq circa 2002, which is why I've turned it into a running joke, comrades.
    Eye roll emojis.

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    FORMER OBAMA CAMPAIGN MANAGER WARNS DEMOCRATS AGAINST CONTESTED CONVENTION TALK: FUTURE OF PARTY SUPPORTS BERNIE SANDERS

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    "Nobody Likes Bernie" lmao! I love Nevada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Eye roll emojis.
    Devil Emjoi drinking vodka, comrade
    Last edited by Celgress; 02-22-2020 at 10:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofali View Post
    "Nobody Likes Bernie" lmao! I love Nevada.
    That came from Hillary Clinton so naturally, it would be wrong. I mean c'mon it's Hillary.
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    Well Bernie passed the test with flying colors. Can he win a more diverse state? That’s a big yes. Having the Hispanic vote is huge. Plus he’s making a lot of headway with black voters, especially those under 40. It does give me some glimmer of hope that just possibly the balance of power is swinging toward the younger generations and away from the Baby Boomers. The massive size of that demographic has allowed the over 60 crowd to have a strangle hold on American politics. Maybe people who weren’t raised on John Wayne movies can have a say.

    My biggest concern about Bernie was the way he handled a few negative talking points and controversy. Bloomberg and Buttigieg both tried to label him a commie. He could have easily broken down the difference between Democratic Socialism, Socialism, and Communism. The debate was watched by millions of people and it would have been a great sound byte. Instead he just yelled louder. He needs to be ready for the “communist” tag being pinned on him by Trump and co. I’m not confident he can overcome that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman View Post
    Well Bernie passed the test with flying colors. Can he win a more diverse state? That’s a big yes. Having the Hispanic vote is huge. Plus he’s making a lot of headway with black voters, especially those under 40. It does give me some glimmer of hope that just possibly the balance of power is swinging toward the younger generations and away from the Baby Boomers. The massive size of that demographic has allowed the over 60 crowd to have a strangle hold on American politics. Maybe people who weren’t raised on John Wayne movies can have a say.

    My biggest concern about Bernie was the way he handled a few negative talking points and controversy. Bloomberg and Buttigieg both tried to label him a commie. He could have easily broken down the difference between Democratic Socialism, Socialism, and Communism. The debate was watched by millions of people and it would have been a great sound byte. Instead he just yelled louder. He needs to be ready for the “communist” tag being pinned on him by Trump and co. I’m not confident he can overcome that.
    I'm not sure there's any point of breaking down that distinction. The people saying it already know the difference, they're saying it for political points or just trolling.

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