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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    I'm loving that conspiracy theory that Tulsi Gabbard is somehow a completely respectable Democrat who is getting payback for some thing or the other, when she is a burning dumpster fire politician with more skeletons in the closet than a Halloween popup store.
    Yes. That Hillary is SO machievellian that she managed to get Tulsi to hire an anti-magnitsky act guy as a consultant :P

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    Let's see, was Hillary worried about how Gabbard would swing her 1% in this primary. And is still upset this back-bencher didn't endorse her?
    Or did Hillary see the same interference that Russia pulled on her with Jill Stein and others and helped cost her the election. Therefore feeling that she should warn the same thing is happening again. Hmm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Let's see, was Hillary worried about how Gabbard would swing her 1% in this primary. And is still upset this back-bencher didn't endorse her?
    Or did Hillary see the same interference that Russia pulled on her with Jill Stein and others and helped cost her the election. Therefore feeling that she should warn the same thing is happening again. Hmm?
    Gabbard was installed pretty high in the DNC in 2016 and backed outbecause of what was going on and endorsed Bernie Sanders. If you want a motive for why Clinton would have a grudge there it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Gabbard was installed pretty high in the DNC in 2016 and backed outbecause of what was going on and endorsed Bernie Sanders. If you want a motive for why Clinton would have a grudge there it is
    I doubt it. You make it sound liek Clinton felt jilted, when she had a whole boatload of endorsements. What Gabbard did had no effect on Hillary's campaign, Tulsi did that for herself.

    If anything, it made Hillary question Tulsi's commitment to the DNC, giving up a position that could have advanced her career when she didn't need to. She could have stayed where wshe was and still backed Sanders.

    Right now, the only stake in the game that Clinton has is a desire not to see a repeat of 2016. A desire to make sure that one of the democratic candidates running actually wins, despite russian attempts to undermine the process.
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    Sure...

    The woman who laughed at someone cracking a joke about there being a special place in Hell for women who do not support other women is probably above holding a grudge against a woman who did not support her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Sure...

    The woman who laughed at someone cracking a joke about there being a special place in Hell for women who do not support other women is probably above holding a grudge against a woman who did not support her.
    Really had to dig down for that one, didn't you? Laughed at a joke=holds lifelong grudges. Yeah adds up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Really had to dig down for that one, didn't you? Laughed at a joke=holds lifelong grudges. Yeah adds up.
    Under four years is not "Lifelong".

    That said, it's not exactly hard to buy into that someone might still be holding a grudge less than five years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    I doubt it. You make it sound liek Clinton felt jilted, when she had a whole boatload of endorsements. What Gabbard did had no effect on Hillary's campaign, Tulsi did that for herself.

    If anything, it made Hillary question Tulsi's commitment to the DNC, giving up a position that could have advanced her career when she didn't need to. She could have stayed where wshe was and still backed Sanders.

    Right now, the only stake in the game that Clinton has is a desire not to see a repeat of 2016. A desire to make sure that one of the democratic candidates running actually wins, despite russian attempts to undermine the process.
    Clinton is on a massive media tour right now. Her only stake is to get more publicity and more money. Calling a Presidential contender a Russian asset with no corroborating evidence which immediately split the primary field with people defending her and just divided the party. The only thing it really did had a negative impact and got Clinton more coverage. And not for nothing, Tulsi never indicated she would run as a third party candidate and when Clinton suggested it, she immediately came out and said it was nothing she had any interest in.

    Sorry I really don't take her as some good faith actor who is trying to be the guardian of the Democratic Party. It's always opportunity based.

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    The Crisis of the Republican Party

    In the summer of 1950, outraged by Joseph McCarthy’s anti-Communist inquisition, Margaret Chase Smith, a Republican senator from Maine, stood to warn her party that its own behavior was threatening the integrity of the American republic. “I don’t want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the four horsemen of calumny — fear, ignorance, bigotry and smear,” she said. “I doubt if the Republican Party could — simply because I don’t believe the American people will uphold any political party that puts political exploitation above national interest. Surely, we Republicans aren’t that desperate for victory.”

    Senator Smith surely knew her “Declaration of Conscience” would not carry the day. Her appeal to the better angels of her party was not made in the expectation of an immediate change; sometimes the point is just to get people to look up. In the end, four more years passed before the bulk of the Republican Party looked up and turned on Senator McCarthy — four years of public show trials and thought policing that pushed the country so hard to the right that the effects lasted decades. The problem with politicians who abuse power isn’t that they don’t get results. It’s that the results come at a high cost to the Republic — and to the reputations of those who lack the courage or wisdom to resist.

    The Republican Party is again confronting a crisis of conscience, one that has been gathering force ever since Donald Trump captured the party’s nomination in 2016. Afraid of his political influence, and delighted with his largely conservative agenda, party leaders have compromised again and again, swallowing their criticisms and tacitly if not openly endorsing presidential behavior they would have excoriated in a Democrat. Compromise by compromise, Donald Trump has hammered away at what Republicans once saw as foundational virtues: decency, honesty, responsibility. He has asked them to substitute loyalty to him for their patriotism itself.
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    President Trump says he defeated ISIS, totally, but guess what, the new mission for US troops in Syria is to go Iraq to, wait for it, fight ISIS. So, maybe someone convinced the commander in chief that ISIS is not as utterly defeated as he claims.
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    Mulvaney faced White House ouster threat before impeachment crisis took over

    Washington (CNN)Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney faced internal efforts to oust him before House Democrats moved ahead with their impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump, multiple sources tell CNN.

    Top aides including Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner were in the process of reaching out to at least two potential replacements for the top West Wing job shortly before House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced in late September that she would move ahead with an impeachment inquiry.

    These previously unreported efforts did not come to fruition, but underscore the weakness of Mulvaney's position even before his headline-generating performance in the briefing room last week. One person familiar with Mulvaney's thinking said the search came as Mulvaney himself was looking for an exit after ten months in the role, though people close to Mulvaney have denied he wanted to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Let's see, was Hillary worried about how Gabbard would swing her 1% in this primary. And is still upset this back-bencher didn't endorse her?
    Or did Hillary see the same interference that Russia pulled on her with Jill Stein and others and helped cost her the election. Therefore feeling that she should warn the same thing is happening again. Hmm?
    Can't it be both?

    There definitely seems to be a personal element to this which speaks to this being a bit of a grudge, so I'm not sure I'd dismiss that. I don't think Van Jones is wrong to say that we don't want people we disagree with automatically called a Russian agent and no one bats an eye. That's tip toeing towards "Red Scare" shit. It doesn't seem necessary for someone polling at 1%. If there is legitimate concern, then handle it legitimately.

    Passive aggressive swipes on a book tour ain't that.

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    Mick Mulvaney tries to defend Trump's original G7 Doral decision: "At the end of the day, [Trump] still considers himself to be in the hospitality business."

    Chris Wallace responds: "You say he considers himself in the hospitality business, he's the president of United States."
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    I work with someone who is a Sergeant in the National Guard and an Iraq veteran. He's been prepping for re-deployment.
    I'm wondering if Iran is on the table. The Saudis would like it and Trump needs to get us into a real war to help secure his reelection.
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    Slovakia’s president suggests a way out of the world’s populist quagmire

    The surprise answer came from nowhere — or rather, it came from Pezinok, a small city in southwest Slovakia where Zuzana Caputova, an environmental lawyer and social liberal, had spent many years battling a landfill that would have polluted the air and water of the region. Angered by the murders, Caputova entered the presidential campaign in March 2018 as the candidate for the tiny Progressive Slovakia party. A year later, she won.
    How did she do it? Caputova was in New York a couple of weeks ago, and I had the chance to ask. She told me that she began her political career by trying to understand why people were voting for a ruling party that had used anti-immigrant and anti-foreigner rhetoric as well as attacks on the media and “elites” to justify its hold on power. “People are afraid of the unknown, of changes," she said. "This fear is used by populists to come with very simple, very clear solutions.” But Caputova also noticed opinion polls showing that the politics of fear had another effect: “People are tired of conflict.” She resolved to “avoid heating up the discussions,” to offer not just her views but also the moral reasoning behind them. In televised debates, while the other candidates bickered, she came off as calm and measured.

    Instead of feeding the enmity, she “tried to build bridges between people who have common values. ... I was very careful to try to find language that unites people and doesn’t divide them.” She also seemed different. Politics in Slovakia had long been a battle between egotistical men. Caputova sought to be the anti-ego alternative. She tried not to take politics personally, not to get angry and always remember, “it’s not about me.” She thinks that this distance, plus her lack of professional marketing — “young people are suspicious of it” — made her seem authentic.
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