All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[kidfresh512]

I thought Bernie was having a good night....but that tact on the capitalism vs. socialism debate was not good for him. I hope, if he's the front runner, his staff works with him on a better response to that. He's not a "socialist" in the evil sense, so why the hesitancy to say he believes in capitalism? He just believes in capitalism with sanity checks.

He lets the opposition define what he is characterized as.

And it WILL effect him having to SELL all his plans. It matters you cant let that "socialist" or communist label Bloomberg tried stick.

[Theleviathan]

Warren already has that lane. It might be a bit more difficult for Bernie to claim it, and might alienate some of his most hardcore supporters too early in the primary.

Agreed, but that response was deeply problematic. The only zinger Bloomberg got all night flustered Sanders on it too. I can tell you, Trump is going to pound that very issue into the ground and Bernie has to have a better counter punch. For sure don't walk into that trap.

[GindyPosts]

I thought Bernie was having a good night....but that tact on the capitalism vs. socialism debate was not good for him. I hope, if he's the front runner, his staff works with him on a better response to that. He's not a "socialist" in the evil sense, so why the hesitancy to say he believes in capitalism? He just believes in capitalism with sanity checks.

Problem is, capitalism in America is what is unofficially known as "unregulated capitalism". Capitalism with a series of checks and balances like the government could allow for a level of prosperity and minimize the income gap, but the existing billionaires class will never allow the majority of poor people to go anywhere near their money. The vast sum of their caste is inherited wealth, so they don't want their descendants to be at a lower level than they were.

[Theleviathan]

He lets the opposition define what he is characterized as.

And it WILL effect him having to SELL all his plans. It matters you cant let that "socialist" or communist label Bloomberg tried stick.

Not only did he let it stick, he tried to haphazardly embrace it! This is something a primary is good for: flesh out what can trap you and what can't. Generate good arguments to effective punches. I hope Bernie's people took notes on that one as a red flag to improve.

Warren's response on that was MUCH better.

[Tazirai]

Pete is sooo rehearsed. I kinda want to pull the football from his feet like Lucy. He's so damn insufferable.

[Theleviathan]

Problem is, capitalism in America is what is unofficially known as "unregulated capitalism". Capitalism with a series of checks and balances like the government could allow for a level of prosperity and minimize the income gap, but the existing billionaires class will never allow the majority of poor people to go anywhere near their money. The vast sum of their caste is inherited wealth, so they don't want their descendants to be at a lower level than they were.

Then make that distinction like Warren did. Sanders tried to, at times, but mostly it was rambling. Look at the contrast between Warren's counter punch to Bloomberg and Bernie's. Warren's was effective, heartfelt, positive, and didn't put her in any boxes. Sanders walked right into the "you're a millionaire with three houses" trap and appeared visibly shook by it. Warren's response allowed no such biting retort.

Bernie should co-opt that message as he goes forward. If not the specifics, then the tenor of it.

[AnakinFlair]

What the hell were those idiots screaming when Biden gave his closing remarks?

[Tazirai]

What the hell were those idiots screaming when Biden gave his closing remarks?

Depends , and I try hard to not call Protesters idiots. Because it's bad enough our voice gets drowned out by elites, then we start in on ourselves, then when/if we protest people call us idiots.

[InformationGeek]

This was clearly drafted by Bloomberg before the debate methinks.

Tonight, I stood on a stage with a group of politicians.

They talked, because that’s what they’re good at.

They went on and on about what they could and should do.

I have built. I have created actual change. I have gotten it done.

That’s what I’ll do for America. #DemDebate

[AnakinFlair]

Depends , and I try hard to not call Protesters idiots. Because it's bad enough our voice gets drowned out by elites, then we start in on ourselves, then when/if we protest people call us idiots.

I got no problem with protesters. But if you are going to protest, don't wait until the literal last minute.

[Gray Lensman]

Apparently Bloomberg's wikipedia page got a vandaledit. Died February 19th, 2020. Cause of death: Senator Elizabeth Warren.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

So every candidate on the stage but Sanders basically said "yeah we'll let the superdelegates mess with it even if the person with the most votes and delegates doesn't get the nom". Yeah that's a recipe for disaster and why about half the country doesn't believe in the process

[GindyPosts]

This was clearly drafted by Bloomberg before the debate methinks.

Bitch, you did nothing like that, Bloomberg.

[Tazirai]

The post debate polls (and super Tuesday results) will tell for sure, but it looks like Warren has ended any debate about whether or not anyone will have to consider holding their nose and deciding between Bloomberg and Trump. This is like watching a WWE match between a rising superstar and a jobber. The only question is how brutal will it be, and will the guy be able to walk after?

I'm still not voting for Bloomberg. /shrug.

[Gray Lensman]

I'm still not voting for Bloomberg. /shrug.

I understand the sentiment, even though I disagree. But admittedly I am a white person who was far upstate when Bloomberg was mayor, his policies never really had a chance to hurt me for two separate reasons.