All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Mister Mets]

The GOP attorney's questions to the Constitutional scholars is all about Hunter Biden, nothing about Trump.

I was not aware Hunter Biden is getting impeached.

The argument would be that it was legitimate for Trump to investigate wrongdoing involving Hunter Biden.

There are numerous counterpoints to this (witnesses say the main thing Trump wanted was the announcement of an investigation, Trump doesn't seem to be calling for ethics investigations that aren't politically advantageous) but it would be a mistake for Democrats to pretend that everything to do with Hunter Biden was as perfect as Trump claims his phone call was.

We also have to do something to stop any Republican vote suppressing shenanigans in those three states.

What do you think Republicans will do in states with Democratic governors?

The way The Democratic Party currently runs it's primary system is seriously slanted in the wrong direction. That is simply a fact.

If making that "Attack" makes me look like a Republican, that's another thing I am not about to lose much sleep over.


As for what's in green, what I said I wouldn't lose much sleep over is The Democratic Party shooting itself in the foot with the above slanted primary process.

If they intend to run things in a way that seems like it has a good chance to alienate minority voters?

Again, not going to lose much sleep over the party executing that unsound strategy. Not a "First", and I don't really believe it will be a "Last".

What will Democrats do to alienate minority voters?

The major change in the Democratic party has been the leftward movement of white people. Hispanics and African Americans are okay with centrists.
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/182598...ing-trump-2020

This is not my opinion -- just an article that lays out the problems inherent in assuming that Democrats will win more voters by moving to the "left".

It's good to have an ideal, but not to ignore the reality of politics in the process.

No matter what my opinion is on the matter, votes have the final say in elections.

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"Half of Americans think the Democratic Party has moved too far left"

"There's zero question that President Donald Trump has moved the Republican Party to the right -- tonally and on things like immigration policy -- over the past few years. What is less well-covered is how far Democrats have tacked to the left in recent years, and how there appears to be some level of unhappiness within the American electorate about the liberalness of the opposition party.

New data from a Quinnipiac University poll paints that unrest in stark relief.

Asked whether the "Democratic Party has moved too far to the left, too far to the right, or would you say the Democratic Party hasn't moved too far in either direction", nearly half -- 47%! -- of respondents say that the party has moved too far left. Asked hat same question of the Republican Party and just 37% say it has moved too far right.

Almost 6 in 10 men (57%) say Democrats have moved too far left as do 55% of whites with a college degree. Whites, generally speaking, are much more likely to say the party has moved too far left (53%) as compared to Hispanics (33%) and blacks (17%).

All of which is very interesting -- and should be worrisome for a Democratic Party establishment already worried that several of their leading presidential candidates are too liberal for the country at large.

Remember that the positions that one or several Democratic candidates for president had advocated for during the primary season so far include:

* Eliminating all private health insurance in favor of a single, government-run system
* The "Green New Deal," a massive (and massively expensive) overhaul of the way in which we consume and think about energy in this country
* Mandatory buybacks of AR-15s and AK-47s
* Decriminalization of illegal immigration

These are not views that a majority of the country holds. (Worth noting: Not all Democrats in the race hold any or all of these positions.) In some cases -- Medicare for All's elimination of private insurance, for example -- what these Democratic candidates are for are not even supported by a strong majority of Democrats.

The origins of this shift are varied and have been happening for years. Some of it is a reaction to Trump, some of it came out of the bitterness of the 2016 Sanders-Clinton primary fight. But it all puts the party at danger of losing moderates (if there are any left).

The last-minute desire for a new candidate is also driven by the fear of what Trump will say and do to someone like Warren or Sanders -- deride them as socialists who want to take your guns and your money -- in a general election setting. (I'd argue Trump will say that about whoever Democrats nominate, but that's a different argument.)

All primaries push candidates to the left. And typically the general election is spent tracking back to the middle to court moderate and swing voters. But the Q poll suggests that Democrats need to be very aware that their current positioning is decidedly too far left for a big chunk of America's liking."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/polit...oll/index.html

A Pew report does suggest that Democrats have moved a lot to the left, while Republicans have moved a bit to the right.

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...-extreme-left/

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-con...pe-release.pdf

This could be the way for a Trump to get reelected, so there are advantages to Democrats going with the types of candidates who won in swing congressional districts, as well as Governors races in Louisiana and Kentucky, rather than giving centrists reasons to worry.

[TheManInBlack]

It's a cloud, not a physical server.

Umm... where do you think the cloud is stored? Physical servers...

[Tami]

Umm... where do you think the cloud is stored? Physical servers...

Try walking away with this



Note that most Cloud Computing occurs in multiple locations, across states and even nations.

[worstblogever]

Try walking away with this

Note that most Cloud Computing occurs in multiple locations, across states and even nations.

Danke, Tami.

[worstblogever]

The argument would be that it was legitimate for Trump to investigate wrongdoing involving Hunter Biden.

The argument would be that if it was legitimate, he should have asked the American intelligence community to do it, rather than ask a foreign country to do it as a favor to him.

Thanks for playing.

[numberthirty]

From this evening's CBS national news...

A piece on that a woman's "Diagnostic" mammograms were not covered because the ACA does not require them to be covered at one hundred percent.

If it is going to be bloody knuckles just to get things that basic changed, people need to realize two things...

- Those women are probably not going to be "Go Team!" about the ACA.
- That exact thing is part of why some folks are not exactly in a hurry to get behind the whole "Let's Just Improve The ACA..." take.

[Mecegirl]

The argument would be that if it was legitimate, he should have asked the American intelligence community to do it, rather than ask a foreign country to do it as a favor to him.

Thanks for playing.

Where were Trumps objections from the start of all this? Where was he when Congress passed this? Did he have nothing to say about the way Congress voted? He has the bully pulpit. I'm sure if he made a stink republicans would have fallen in line back then.

Why did he sign this law? This was sent to his desk. He signed it. But after all that he wants to hold the aid because of corruption? If he thought they were so corrupt why did he sign?

And why did he not object to the Pentagon approving the aid? They felt that Ukraine's new government was going in a better direction. Why was that not good enough for Trump? And why did he not bring his objections to them instead of sending Rudy?

[Mister Mets]

The argument would be that if it was legitimate, he should have asked the American intelligence community to do it, rather than ask a foreign country to do it as a favor to him.

Thanks for playing.

You failed to quote a big chunk of my post explicitly mentioning the counterpoints to Trump's position.

The problem with your argument that the American intelligence agency should exclusively be the ones to focus on why Hunter Biden was hired by a former Ukranian cabinet member is that one could say that Ukranians would have more insight on the matter.

[worstblogever]

You failed to quote a big chunk of my post explicitly mentioning the counterpoints to Trump's position.

The problem with your argument that the American intelligence agency should exclusively be the ones to focus on why Hunter Biden was hired by a former Ukranian cabinet member is that one could say that Ukranians would have more insight on the matter.

Gonna point out a thing...

You say you don't like Trump, but support the Republican Party.

Trump is trying to cover his crimes up with conspiracy theories about Ukraine that started with the Kremlin. Which I'll say it again... American intelligence agencies have confirmed their origins, and they have proven the claims patently false.

Republicans in Congress have now begun furthering conspiracy theories about Ukraine that started with the Kremlin to defend Trump.

You are now mounting a defense of Trump, who you claim you don't like, by parroting conspiracy theories about Ukraine that started with the Kremlin that Trump pathetically uses as a defense and the GOP Congress are perpetuating.

I'm starting to think a certain Looney Tunes joke applies.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Try walking away with this



Note that most Cloud Computing occurs in multiple locations, across states and even nations.

Not to mention most storage admins that use cloud will use multiple instances and servers that overlap to prevent disruptions since the biggest issue with cloud is that it's not on prem so you don't have direct control over it.

[Kusanagi]

Not really news but Trump cuts visit short after video leaks of other world leaders mocking him

nice to see he can bring world leaders together.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Also in the news:

George Buck, a GOP candidate in Florida trying to unseat Congressman Charlie Crist just sent out a fundraising letter than calls for Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and AOC to be hanged.

All are women of color, which in no way comes off as calling for a modern day lynching. Nope. Don't know why anyone thinks the Republican Party is now a white nationalist party. *shrugs*

I can’t imagine why either.

[Mister Mets]

Gonna point out a thing...

You say you don't like Trump, but support the Republican Party.

Trump is trying to cover his crimes up with conspiracy theories about Ukraine that started with the Kremlin. Which I'll say it again... American intelligence agencies have confirmed their origins, and they have proven the claims patently false.

Republicans in Congress have now begun furthering conspiracy theories about Ukraine that started with the Kremlin to defend Trump.

You are now mounting a defense of Trump, who you claim you don't like, by parroting conspiracy theories about Ukraine that started with the Kremlin that Trump pathetically uses as a defense and the GOP Congress are perpetuating.

I'm starting to think a certain Looney Tunes joke applies.

My point was that a particular argument is flawed. The goal post some Democrats seem to establish is that there is no possible national security interest in why the unqualified son of a Vice President was on the board of a company run by a former Ukranian cabinet official appointed by a President who is currently in exile in Russia.

As I noted in my initial post on the matter, there are much stronger arguments against Trump.

The idea that it is problematic to mention the existence of arguments can leave partisans unprepared for the most obvious points raised by actual Trump supporters.

[Tendrin]

Republicans want us to be very concerned about Hunter Biden while pretending the Trump kids don't exist. Whether or not there was any wrongdoing with regards to Hunter (there wasn't, of course) does not alter the facts over which Trump is being impeached. The willingness of some to demand we take seriously every bad faith argument that the GOP can muster up remains one of its strongest assets
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[GindyPosts]

Republicans want us to be very concerned about Hunter Biden while pretending the Trump kids don't exist. Whether or not there was any wrongdoing with regards to Hunter (there wasn't, of course) does not alter the facts over which Trump is being impeached. The willingness of some to demand we take seriously every bad faith argument that the GOP can muster up remains one of its strongest assets
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Which is ironic considering that Trump often forgets his own kids most of the time. And I'm not talking about Barron, who's not old enough to be part of the political discourse but in any other time period would be of that age where gossip magazines would eagerly await his 16th birthday.

In news that's likely forgotten about by most, the administration finalized their last phase of their plan to enforce employment for non-disabled adults, effectively kicking off close to 700K Americans. However, that's not enough for them, as there's plans to eliminate another 3 million off of programs nationwide, with the argument being "If they can work, they gotta work if they wanna eat". The problem is; for a good portion of those people, it's not like they want to be on food stamps in the first place, as it's something that is supplemental to their survival, not just the only thing they live off of. It doesn't help that the USDA has been in favor of big corporations and against common sense since Sonny Perdue (who I hope WBE has done articles on) took over.