All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[Tazirai]

Of course, nobody deserves that abuse. Strangely, when it comes from Sanders supporters you do the exact opposite.

I am, you ignore it and dismiss attacks on women and minorities. I agreed with you on the videos you showed, you continue to act like I didn't.

The only hypocrisy I'm seeing is what you're posting.






I've shown evidence of death threats, hit lists and harassment by Bernie Bros against Black women and you still cling to the Bros? What would they have to do for you not to defend them? You're not defending CoPays in this post, you're defending harassment against women and minorities simply because they don't like Sanders.

Lol. Bernie has the most diverse coalition, but sure, they don't like Sanders.
Where is your evidence of these bernie Bros death threats, and did you vet them as being true supporters, or people faking the funk?

[Tazirai]

Congratulations, you're the first Sanders supporter to condemn the Bros tactics in this thread.

Now, this is hilarious. It's another reason why it's hard to have honest conversations with some people in this thread.

[shooshoomanjoe]

I found it hilarious that he cited two very old movies instead of, you know, any of the other movies that were nominated THIS YEAR.

IMO, he's just pandering to his supporters who are, for whatever reason, are very anti-Hollywood.

[Tazirai]

This is the flaw you have. You have links. Other people have supplied links and examples with other candidates past and present. You claim that it's more prevalent with Bernie supporters but then when pressed to provide some actual quantification of that you pivot and say people are being dismissive. And quite frankly when the people who continually bring this up are the most negative people in this thread in regards to Sanders and would rather gaslight and attack rather than actually back there hypothesis up with some numbers it's going to make people skeptical.

They've been condemned by Sanders and nobody here has said they agree or embraced them. The natural pivot you and others have made is that it's not enough. Quite frankly most of us don't believe you guys actually have a stance that would be enough and it's just some red meat. And I'll say you can say that other people are being dismissive but you and others have screamed false equivalency and goal post moving when thirty and others brought examples from other campaigns. So what's it say about you and others that you've all deflected rather than condemn it. I haven't heard any of those candidates condemn that and I haven't seen you and others on this board or the internet in general condemn it.

And yeah sorry the opinion of women and minorities on Sanders is kind of in and he's strong in both issues. So yeah when it's a bunch of white guys who never liked him, that refuse to quantify there assessment, that refuse to take the same ownership of their support base, that continual just say "he's not doing enough", yeah it just comes off as reaching for another argument and dismissing the feelings of the people you claim are at risk because you think you know better. Like no offense it's hypocritical of Buttigieg and his supporters who actually have shitty racial records that garner no minority support and are comprimised of predominately upper middle class and upper class white people to take it upon themselves to be the guardians here.

It just comes off as 'when all else fails I'll just externally blame his supporters.

Like I would challenge you right here, name a single candidate that has done more to address and take precautions on sexual harrassment in their campaign more? Name a single candidate who has openly spoke out about bad online behavior more? Name a single candidate who is being embraced more by the people you are claiming he's putting in danger? There isn't one.

[SquirrelMan]

aaaand the WaPo has the scoop:

Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign



More at link.

Hopefully, the Super Delegate system will work better than the Electoral College at preventing a candidate picked by a foreign power from moving forward.

[Theleviathan]

aaaand the WaPo has the scoop:

Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign



More at link.

To his credit, Bernie addressed it directly and unequivocally. Now we wait to see if any of his supporters want to step into the potential "stupid" that abounds with this.

[PaulBullion]

To his credit, Bernie addressed it directly and unequivocally. Now we wait to see if any of his supporters want to step into the potential "stupid" that abounds with this.

Sanders' reply wasn't completely free from Trumpian elements:

Sanders tells reporters he learned about Russian interference in his campaign about a month ago.

But asked why it came out now, Sanders points to the fact that the NV caucuses are a day away. And adds sarcastically, "Washington Post? Good friends."

[Celgress]

C'mon comrades embrace the Red,, er feel the Bern.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Lol. Bernie has the most diverse coalition, but sure, they don't like Sanders.
Where is your evidence of these bernie Bros death threats, and did you vet them as being true supporters, or people faking the funk?

I posted those pages ago and they admitted they were supporters, don't gaslight me. Since when did having a diverse coalition excuse abuse?

Edit: Here's the Rolling Stone article about Bros who threatened Roberta Lange, where they interview them.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-chair-170919/

[AnakinFlair]

It appears she got him to heel instead:



https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/st...59194825797632

Wow. Three whole women. How extraordinary.

[Tazirai]

Since we're on the subject of harassment and how **** some humans can be.
Here's a story of how some humans can be pretty fucking amazing.

Bullied for dwarfism, his tearful message went viral. Now, strangers are sending him to Disneyland.

[Tazirai]

I posted those pages ago and they admitted they were supporters, don't gaslight me. Since when did having a diverse coalition excuse abuse?

Edit: Here's the Rolling Stone article about Bros who threatened Roberta Lange, where they interview them.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-chair-170919/

Those guys did a bad thing and apologized. /shrug.
There I said it.
But where's your post attacking people who lie about Sanders supporters?

From that same year, this happened in Nevada, along with corruption.

Did Sanders Supporters Throw Chairs at Nevada Democratic Convention?
A Las Vegas reporter's second-hand claim Bernie Sanders supporters threw chairs at a Nevada convention was widely reproduced by other news outlets.
KIM LACAPRIA
PUBLISHED 19 MAY 2016



See, the problem we have with many of you guys isn't that we think Sanders is perfect, or his supporters are.
We have a problem with you people thinking it's ONLY Sanders supporters and Sanders that are the problem.

You NEVER post an article of another candidate doing this, do you?

I'm more inclined to believe you're not being disingenuous when you post articles about campaigns supporters, harassing Sanders Supporters.
When are you going to do that? If you do, will you be consistent in pointing this out? Because otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

[Tazirai]

There's a reason why I ignore the posts of a few people here. the stuff they post is amazingly bad and one sided.

[JCAll]

Her conclusions makes her sound like a loon. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that was how I interpreted her rant.

Sounded like pretty standard GOP talking points to me. One of the real crazies would have brought up Q-Anon or Hillary Clinton's political assassinations.
The fact that we can all look at the same thing and still sound like we're from different planets just shows how far to hell everything has gone.

[Tazirai]

Hey Pete, Neo-liberals, Conservadems, and Moderate Centrists, I thought attacking Democrats on a personal level was forbidden?
Wasn't it you guys that said attacking the Democrat gives the GOP ammunition?

Critics Attack Buttigieg for Using 'Fox News Propaganda' By Referring to Grassroots Groups Backing Sanders as Dark Money Organizations
"Disgraceful that Buttigieg continues to smear groups like ours, led by immigrants and people of color—all to boost his own fundraising."

Former South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg came under fire from progressives after claiming in a series of tweets Thursday evening that his rival for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination Sen. Bernie Sanders is being backed by "nine dark money groups" and likening the Vermont senator to billionaire Michael Bloomberg.

"Say our name, Pete Buttigieg," tweeted the Sunrise Movement. "We dare you."

The former mayor's comments were aimed at bolstering donations ahead of the Super Tuesday contests on March 3, when 14 states will vote in the Democratic primary.

"With Michael Bloomberg in the race, and with nine dark money groups supporting Bernie Sanders, the goal posts have changed," Buttigieg said of his campaign's need to raise more money.