All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[sammy_hansen]

Mister Mets, do you support Republican Party efforts to suppress the votes of African-Americans?

[Joker]

This isn't about people making more with $600 a week. The $600 a week is added to state unemployment insurance.

If $600 a week (plus, ya know, your initial couple hundred depending on your states amount)

Dude.

Also, currently on it. In Washington. I know how it works.

[Mister Mets]

Dude.

Also, currently on it. In Washington. I know how it works.

Fair enough. I misread that. Do you really think a thousand dollars a week " If $600 a week (plus, ya know, your initial couple hundred depending on your states amount) is more than you were making while fucking working, maybe it's a bad system you were working in!" is a bad salary?

Unemployment lasts around six months and then it is exhausted.

You can't get it again until after you've worked at another job long enough to qualify again if you lose said job.

It is not an incentive not to find a job -- it is money provided to help you survive between jobs.

It is a redeployment of the taxes you and your employer paid to the governement for exactly this kind of emergency.

I'll add that people tend to need lots of unemployment when Republicans get into the White House.

Logically it follows that the solution to paying out less unemployment is likely electing less Republicans to office.

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"The unemployment rate doubled under Bush. It's fallen by more than one-third under Obama."

https://www.vox.com/2015/11/7/968478...ent-rate-obama

"Trump administration warns of 20 percent unemployment rate"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...-rate-n1162601

The general principle doesn't apply solely to unemployment.

There is the idea of a welfare trap (also sometimes referred to as a poverty trap), where the withdrawal of means-tested benefits that comes with entering low-paid work causes there to be no significant increase in total income.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/repor...s-in-illinois/

Considering how many people are willing to volunteer in hospices for no pay at all, I think you need to meet some people who are not conservatives to see how good, decent people function.

A small percentage of the population doing something beautiful and meaningful doesn't indicate that we'll be better off if the salary incentive is removed.

[aja_christopher]

The general principle doesn't apply solely to unemployment.

There is the idea of a welfare trap (also sometimes referred to as a poverty trap), where the withdrawal of means-tested benefits that comes with entering low-paid work causes there to be no significant increase in total income.

So another "slippery slope" argument then -- should have expected as much given past exchanges.



Reagan used to just call them "welfare queens" by the way -- this of course was to attack both "socialism" and black people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen

[Mister Mets]

Mister Mets, do you support Republican Party efforts to suppress the votes of African-Americans?

In principle, I do not support efforts to suppress votes based on race.

The follow-up question is whether a particular scenario applies.

Mets -- we're done with this ridiculous semantic nonsense because this is like watching a bad parody of Ben Shapiro.

Reagan already answered the question since you wouldn't.

aja_christopher, as long as you keep going after me personally, I am going to note logical fallacies. If you believe I've said anything wrong about your technique in a political dicussion, what is it? If you think I described it accurately, but that it is a fair approach, it's better to say so. Then everyone can understand where we're coming from.

[aja_christopher]

In principle, I do not support efforts to suppress votes based on race.

In both vote and party, you do.

That's your business of course but if you're going to make comments about African-Americans and things like the Coronavirus make sure you also include -- or at least don't try to dodge -- the fact that your party does everything in it's power to make sure that black people have little say in addressing these problems via elected representatives, up to and including illegally changing their votes during elections.

This would be a far more equitable country if your party didn't routinely suppress African-American and Latino voters to achieve it's goals.

Trump likely wouldn't even be president -- this is what happens when you turn a blind eye to the racist base that your party is built upon.

You can't sit here and pretend that addressing racism and bigotry in your party is a direct attack on you unless you agree with said bigotry.

Instead of addressing said bigotry (and you still haven't) you spent nearly ten pages trying to make it about me rather than your party's behavior.

[sammy_hansen]

Considering how study after study shows conservatives give far more to charity in terms of time/money/blood (literally), I think you need to meet some people who are not leftist hacks to see how people who don't need the govt's hand up their ass function.

1. Hard to give time to charity when working two or more jobs.
2. Easy to give money when you’ve got a lot of money.
3. Easy to donate blood when you’re not discriminated against.

If conservatives feel so good about being parted from their money why are they so against tax increases for the wealthy when those funds could be used to keep people alive and teach people to read?

[Malvolio]

1. Hard to give time to charity when working two or more jobs.
2. Easy to give money when you’ve got a lot of money.
3. Easy to donate blood when you’re not discriminated against.

If conservatives feel so good about being parted from their money why are they so against tax increases for the wealthy when those funds could be used to keep people alive and teach people to read?

Also, a lot of those "charities" that conservatives and Republicans are so generous toward, are really megachurches who use the money to purchase luxury items for the church leaders. Not really helping the under-privileged there.

[PwrdOn]

Considering how study after study shows conservatives give far more to charity in terms of time/money/blood (literally), I think you need to meet some people who are not leftist hacks to see how people who don't need the govt's hand up their ass function.

Conservatives are only more charitable than liberals if you count church donations, and it's hardly charity to be supporting an institution whose services you take advantage of regularly. Besides, if you hate the government so much, why not send back your stimulus check? Maybe you can burn them like draft cards in the next protest, that'll own the libs for sure.

[trooper_thorn]

So let's take a look at the last week or two:

-There's increasing pressure to reopen the economy across the political spectrum
-There's been massive developments in the world of fossil fuels
-Netanyahu remains the PM of Israel
-China's international rep is crumbling and Taiwan is seriously pushing the charm offensive

Hmmm, who could have possibly seen any of these developments coming?

Incidentally, it's a good thing that nobody tried to come up with a plan for how to reopen disparate sections of the national economy and we're instead just doing it piecemeal. Trying to be organized may have come off as pro-Trump which the geniuses on this board will not allow. How? Who knows but given how some of them freaked out over the mere suggestion that we should, it must in someway be so (either that or they're just moronic hacks).


Anyhow I'll just end on the following notes:

-There is far more evidence suggesting that Biden sexually assaulted Tara Reade than there ever was that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted Blasey-Ford. It'd probably be hilarious to go back and hold the people here to the same standards they applied back in 2018 but I am far too lazy to do so.
-China is currently forcing Africans out of their homes and businesses because they're desperate to push the idea that their current viral disaster is the result of foreigners and not just because they were lying about their success.
-Iran and Russia are effectively crippled as a result of the collapse in oil prices.
-Sweden just closed it's final Confucius Center.

[trooper_thorn]

Conservatives are only more charitable than liberals if you count church donations, and it's hardly charity to be supporting an institution whose services you take advantage of regularly. Besides, if you hate the government so much, why not send back your stimulus check? Maybe you can burn them like draft cards in the next protest, that'll own the libs for sure.

So if you give money to a park you frequent it doesn't count? What about to library you're a member of? How dare people give money to a charity that happens to be close to them.

But I suppose you may be right. I mean, it's not like religious organizations run soup kitchens, orphanages, schools, or homeless shelters. And their members certainly never assist in the running of said charities either.

[Steel Inquisitor]

So let's take a look at the last week or two:

-There's increasing pressure to reopen the economy across the political spectrum
-There's been massive developments in the world of fossil fuels
-Netanyahu remains the PM of Israel
-China's international rep is crumbling and Taiwan is seriously pushing the charm offensive

Pressure isn't necessarily right, though. And if it is wrong, people are going to die.

Hmmm, who could have possibly seen any of these developments coming?

Incidentally, it's a good thing that nobody tried to come up with a plan for how to reopen disparate sections of the national economy and we're instead just doing it piecemeal. Trying to be organized may have come off as pro-Trump which the geniuses on this board will not allow. How? Who knows but given how some of them freaked out over the mere suggestion that we should, it must in someway be so (either that or they're just moronic hacks).

Why are you giving Trump any reason fo a doubt that he knows how to do this safety? This is the man who suggested sunlight and drinking disinfectant on national tv to cure Covid-19. You want to put your life and those of people you love in his hands?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/polit...nce/index.html

In an eye-popping moment, Trump doubled down on his claim that sunlight and the festering humidity of high summer could purge the virus in his latest grab for a game-changer therapy.
Then, he asked aides on camera whether zapping patients with light or injecting disinfectant into the lungs to clean sick patients from inside could cure them of the disease.

[aja_christopher]

So let's take a look at the last week or two:

-There's increasing pressure to reopen the economy across the political spectrum
-There's been massive developments in the world of fossil fuels
-Netanyahu remains the PM of Israel
-China's international rep is crumbling and Taiwan is seriously pushing the charm offensive

Hmmm, who could have possibly seen any of these developments coming?

Incidentally, it's a good thing that nobody tried to come up with a plan for how to reopen disparate sections of the national economy and we're instead just doing it piecemeal. Trying to be organized may have come off as pro-Trump which the geniuses on this board will not allow. How? Who knows but given how some of them freaked out over the mere suggestion that we should, it must in someway be so (either that or they're just moronic hacks).


Anyhow I'll just end on the following notes:

-There is far more evidence suggesting that Biden sexually assaulted Tara Reade than there ever was that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted Blasey-Ford. It'd probably be hilarious to go back and hold the people here to the same standards they applied back in 2018 but I am far too lazy to do so.
-China is currently forcing Africans out of their homes and businesses because they're desperate to push the idea that their current viral disaster is the result of foreigners and not just because they were lying about their success.
-Iran and Russia are effectively crippled as a result of the collapse in oil prices.
-Sweden just closed it's final Confucius Center.

We're currently dealing with a global pandemic and around 20% unemployment while Trump is at the helm of the nation.

Let's see how this plays out before making any assumptions about the future.

[PwrdOn]

So if you give money to a park you frequent it doesn't count? What about to library you're a member of? How dare people give money to a charity that happens to be close to them.

But I suppose you may be right. I mean, it's not like religious organizations run soup kitchens, orphanages, schools, or homeless shelters. And their members certainly never assist in the running of said charities either.

Odd example you make here, public parks and libraries are funded by tax dollars and thus generally don't rely on donations to sustain themselves. And while churches can help people, they can't seem to do any good deeds without trying to push their faith on everybody who they are supposedly helping, which seems less like charity and more like bait to draw in more converts which is a tad problematic if you ask me, nevermind all the money that gets siphoned away to build these obscene megachurches and private jets for the pastors.

[trooper_thorn]

1. Hard to give time to charity when working two or more jobs.
2. Easy to give money when you’ve got a lot of money.
3. Easy to donate blood when you’re not discriminated against.

If conservatives feel so good about being parted from their money why are they so against tax increases for the wealthy when those funds could be used to keep people alive and teach people to read?

Ah yes, if you don't believe in high taxation and government intervention in the private sphere you clearly hate the poor.

By the by, you may actually want to look up how the working class has been voting recently.