All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

At least we aren’t the only clown show

[Robotman]

I’ve heard people say that Putin may be the greatest espionage agent of all time. He’s destabilizing the West without even firing a single shot.

[numberthirty]

I’ve heard people say that Putin may be the greatest espionage agent of all time. He’s destabilizing the West without even firing a single shot.

Those folks are giving Putin too much credit.

The West was always going to destabilize itself just fine without any outside help.

[BeastieRunner]

The GOP wants to amend the articles to include all of Trump's accomplishments and say he's innocent.

[Tami]

The GOP wants to amend the articles to include all of Trump's accomplishments and say he's innocent.

Surprised if they don't want to add an Amendment to name him god emperor for life.

[worstblogever]

The GOP wants to amend the articles to include all of Trump's accomplishments and say he's innocent.

It keeps becoming truer:

"All they have is gaslighting".


Speaking of GOP dumbassery, only days after Trump's campaign showed a video with his head photoshopped onto Thanos... he's jealous of Greta Thunberg today, so his campaign "fixed" the TIME Magazine cover to give Trump the Person of the Year award he so desires:



Trump is f***ing dogs*** insane.

[JCAll]

Surprised if they don't want to add an Amendment to name him god emperor for life.

That'll come in 2024, if we let him run away with 2020.

[Robotman]

It keeps becoming truer:

"All they have is gaslighting".


Speaking of GOP dumbassery, only days after Trump's campaign showed a video with his head photoshopped onto Thanos... he's jealous of Greta Thunberg today, so his campaign "fixed" the TIME Magazine cover to give Trump the Person of the Year award he so desires:



Trump is f***ing dogs*** insane.

“Let’s put Trump’s head on the body of a teenage girl and make him look even more ridiculous than he does in real life. That’ll fix those libtards!”

[worstblogever]

“Let’s put Trump’s head on the body of a teenage girl and make him look even more ridiculous than he does in real life. That’ll fix those libtards!”

I honestly have begun asking myself that if the new campaign strategy is to just photoshop Trump into everything because it "triggers the libs", no matter how strategic it is, or how stupid he might look.

"WHAT MEMES CAN WE RUIN YOU GUYS?"

[Tami]

A Secret Report Exposes Health Care For Jailed Immigrants

BuzzFeed News has obtained a memo in which an ICE whistleblower says two immigrants got preventable surgeries and two were given the wrong drugs. Four died — one after getting “grossly negligent” care.

Immigrants held in Immigration and Customs Enforcement jails around the US received medical care so bad it resulted in two preventable surgeries, including an 8-year-old boy who had to have part of his forehead removed, and contributed to four deaths, according to an internal complaint from an agency whistleblower.

The allegations appear in an explosive Department of Homeland Security memo, obtained by BuzzFeed News, containing reports of detainees being given incorrect medication, suffering from delays in treating withdrawal symptoms, and one who was allowed to become so mentally unstable he lacerated his own penis and required reparative surgery.

On Dec. 5, 2017, an 8-year-old boy’s mother told officials at the South Texas Family Residential Center in Dilley that her son’s earache had been worsening for two weeks, the memo says. Medical personnel diagnosed him with swimmer’s ear — an external ear infection — and gave him ear drops.

More than two weeks later, on Dec. 23, the boy had seizures and was taken to the hospital. Doctors there diagnosed him with Pott’s puffy tumor, a rare infection inside the skull that spread from the child’s ear to his facial bone and formed abscesses under the skull. To treat it, they surgically removed part of the boy’s frontal bone, which makes up the forehead.

The whistleblower said that ICE’s Medical Quality Management Unit analyzed the case, and found that the “inadequate medical care provided by [the detention center] was a contributory factor resulting in harm.”

The quality control unit’s report was forwarded to IHSC leadership who, the whistleblower said, “failed to take appropriate action."

[Mister Mets]

Surprised if they don't want to add an Amendment to name him god emperor for life.

I could actually see a repeal of the 22nd amendment. If Trump wins reelection (maybe Biden has some really bad interviews where it looks like he doesn't know where he is, or Sanders or Warren just seem too left-wing for swing state voters) Republican legislators might be backed into supporting it because they're afraid of pissing off Trump.

And Democrats would have their own reason to support it, with the recognition that any repeal of the 22nd amendment allows Obama to have another term in the White House.

[Jack Dracula]

Hell, couldn't Pence do the same thing Moscow Mitch wants, but without the daily insanity Trump brings to the table? Or is Turtle Boy worried that Red Grant might not be the rubber stamp that Dolt45 has been when it comes to judges?

Pence may not be as easily manipulated or morally bankrupt as Trump. He's a politician and devout Christian, Trump is an opportunist who puts his own interests above the well-fare of the entire country. When Pence swears on a bible he may actually honor his pledge - at least to a point.

[Mister Mets]

It's funny because his supporters will go on and on about how "Dems and Libs" have "crazy" policies about free college and free healthcare. And how all that is insane and they are "crazy". But, they have NO compunctions about kids in cages, or bashing and making fun of kids trying to fight for gun control after they survived a mass shooting at school. And here a Young girl who is trying to convince and lead the world to do something about protecting the environment.

They do not even see how silly and petty they sound. Maybe Medicare for All and Trying to give more people access to higher education by figuring out better ways than incurring massive debt for years of your life after college is currently out of reach. But, why is it "insane" to even attempt to attack those issues? Just like Greta and climate change action. Even if you follow the GOP format of denying science and calling it a hoax. Why is what she fighting for worth attacking a child?

Its just mind boggling that his supporters act like hes a "victim" of investigations and calls for impeachment. But he acts like low class trash attacking kids.

The articles of Impeachment don't even approach the depths the office of the President has sunk under his administration. They barely scratch the surface. But, you have his supporters telling us its all frivolous and "the case hasn't been made".

His supporters don't give a damn about the racism. They don't give a damn about him attacking kids. They don't care about him using the full weight of the government to force the hand of our desperate allies to investigate a political opponent.

No matter who his opponent in the election is in 2020. Everyone who does give half a **** should get rid of him. His supporters don't need prompting. They don't need encouragement. They will ride their perceived victimization, racism and xenophobia right behind him.

With teen activists, some liberals seem to be having it both ways, arguing simultaneously that they are public intellectuals who can make a serious contribution and that they are children who can not be engaged seriously.

There are plenty of ways to square the circle.
One can think that we need more civility in discourse overall, and that while a lot of conservatives should treat the activist Parkland survivors or Greta Thunberg with more respect, we should all be treating figures engaged with public conversation with with more respect. There can be exceptions for clearly defined reasons (IE- someone who is acting in bad faith or makes vicious insults does not deserve respect) although this would have to be cross-partisan (your outrage at someone on your side who crosses the line should be the same as if it was someone on the other side.)

It is also morally defensible to suggest that the people on the right side deserve respect, and the people on the wrong side do not. This position would need to be explicitly stated, and you should be clear about where you draw the line between right and wrong. And this argument doesn't suggest we should treat kids more civilly, because the important thing is the side they're on.

Pence may not be as easily manipulated or morally bankrupt as Trump. He's a politician and devout Christian, Trump is an opportunist who puts his own interests above the well-fare of the entire country. When Pence swears on a bible he may actually honor his pledge - at least to a point.

If there was a way to get Pence as President, without pissing off Trump's base, McConnell would be ecstatic. They agree on most issues, and Pence isn't likely to say stupid stuff on Twitter or try to extort foreign countries.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I could actually see a repeal of the 22nd amendment. If Trump wins reelection (maybe Biden has some really bad interviews where it looks like he doesn't know where he is, or Sanders or Warren just seem too left-wing for swing state voters) Republican legislators might be backed into supporting it because they're afraid of pissing off Trump.

And Democrats would have their own reason to support it, with the recognition that any repeal of the 22nd amendment allows Obama to have another term in the White House.

People **** in their pants and act like Trump is Satan himself. He’s just a lowbrow, orange skinned, bloviating moron, it’s his base that has Republicans terrified. Like I’ve said before, and I believe this wholeheartedly, the GOP knows Trump’s followers are more loyal to him instead of the party, if they lose him, they lose his supporters, and without them, they lose any chance of retaining the White House.

[Iron Maiden]

People **** in their pants and act like Trump is Satan himself. He’s just a lowbrow, orange skinned, bloviating moron, it’s his base that has Republicans terrified. Like I’ve said before, and I believe this wholeheartedly, the GOP knows Trump’s followers are more loyal to him instead of the party, if they lose him, they lose his supporters, and without them, they lose any chance of retaining the White House.

Exactly. You don't see any of them willing to go to a Mitt Romney rally. Trump has a noxious group of followers who believe everything that Fox News feeds them. They are the Walking Brain Dead.