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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    He asked who I thought was Progressive, not who I want for VP.
    Every single person alive has issues.
    Ok.

    Hell, me living in several countries growing up and by choice and praising them would get some here to denounce me as a foreign agent if I ran for office lol.
    I actually like Russia and have been to Cuba... OHHH Scandal. Does that make me an apologist too If I like their educational structure?
    Does it make me a Sympathizer because I like their Single Payer system? Or that Cuba came up with treatments for a couple cancers?
    How about Russia? If I like Their Transportation system and Medical system?
    Context. Sanders has done a whole lot more than that defending Cuba and Russia, and he kept putting his foot in mouth over this repeatedly in the media when any politician worth their salt would have taken then L and shut up about it. You can't just say anything when you're a politician and you definitely don't give Republicans ammunition for the general against you as a Communist sympathiser. It's possible to signal boost other less controversial countries that do socialism. Had Sanders said anything like this about Canada most Democrats wouldn't care.


    I lived in Germany, They fought a war against us and had racists and Ethno geneticists murder people.
    I lived in Japan for 6 years, and am fond of the Governmental structure there, and I love their healthcare and educational systems.
    I lived in England twice for a year and 6 months, am I fond of the King? Drams, lol.
    Don't conflate dictatorships with those countries.

    Who are these supporters you speak of? Methinks you are trolling.
    You mustn't know much about Abrams.

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    Nina despises the Democratic party as I do then. I want the party to do better some of you don't. If that is despising then a lot of Independents like me Despise the party.
    "Better," right. Tulsi's just saying what Nina wants out loud. I only take what Bloomberg gives reluctantly, I don't embrace it. They're not any better than he is.


    I don't care about tribalism, tribalism gave us Trump because the Democratic party wants conservatives and shits on their left base. They take corrupt money and brines, and let in racists like Bloomberg.
    Except tribalism is a major component in why you fight for the Left, they are your "tribe." Leftists aren't the Democratic party's base. You support a politician who defended Trump's immigration stance against Muslims!

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    They let people who ACTUALLY sabotage the party like Manchin and DESPISE Sanders for wanting to actually help people. Yeah, I despise the Democratic party too.
    Progress requires compromise, like with the Manchin's of the party. People don't like Sanders for numerous reasons and none of it is because he likes to help people, which he's not very good at.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, they can kiss my black ass. I don't vote for letters, I vote for policy.
    You "vote" along ideological lines and you certainly don't vote for policy.

    I think Sanders probably would have a better shot if he had run as a Republican.
    This has to be a joke. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Ok.



    Context. Sanders has done a whole lot more than that defending Cuba and Russia, and he kept putting his foot in mouth over this repeatedly in the media when any politician worth their salt would have taken then L and shut up about it. You can't just say anything when you're a politician and you definitely don't give Republicans ammunition for the general against you as a Communist sympathiser. It's possible to signal boost other less controversial countries that do socialism. Had Sanders said anything like this about Canada most Democrats wouldn't care.




    Don't conflate dictatorships with those countries.



    You mustn't know much about Abrams.

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    "Better," right. Tulsi's just saying what Nina wants out loud. I only take what Bloomberg gives reluctantly, I don't embrace it. They're not any better than he is.




    Except tribalism is a major component in why you fight for the Left, they are your "tribe." Leftists aren't the Democratic party's base. You support a politician who defended Trump's immigration stance against Muslims!

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    Progress requires compromise, like with the Manchin's of the party. People don't like Sanders for numerous reasons and none of it is because he likes to help people, which he's not very good at.



    You "vote" along ideological lines and you certainly don't vote for policy.



    This has to be a joke. lol
    I can conflate because I lived in those countries.
    All of those countries still had and still do have bad elements. This is a fact.
    I've only 2 years left for Dual Citizenship in America and Japan. So I'd consider myself pretty knowledgeable about what I speak.
    If you don't understand Japanese or german Politics I can't help that. England I haven't been there in a while so I can't speak directly to what's going on in the day to day.

    As far as Sanders and Russia and Cuba. Obama said the exact same thing. Would it be the Hill I would die on personally? No, But to ignore Obama saying it and forgiving him is okay because the Establishment like him.
    Sanders says it and it's the end of the world, lol. When people the party likes says something it's okay.

    Hell Democrats hate that Trump is accused of Sexual Assault, Tara Reade comes out against Biden like other women do, and people start scrubbing their Twitter timelines, and News sites start moving their articles about her to their sports section.
    It's bad when Trump does it, but is ok when Biden does it? We still need to investigate, but this is the corruption I speak of.

    No offense, But if you post a link by NOTED Bernie hater Edward Isaac Dovere Or Tommy, I won't take it seriously. Just tossing that out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    I can conflate because I lived in those countries.
    All of those countries still had and still do have bad elements. This is a fact.
    I've only 2 years left for Dual Citizenship in America and Japan. So I'd consider myself pretty knowledgeable about what I speak.
    If you don't understand Japanese or german Politics I can't help that. England I haven't been there in a while so I can't speak directly to what's going on in the day to day.
    Do you consider the Soviet Union and Castro's Cuba dictatorships?

    As far as Sanders and Russia and Cuba. Obama said the exact same thing. Would it be the Hill I would die on personally? No, But to ignore Obama saying it and forgiving him is okay because the Establishment like him.
    Sanders says it and it's the end of the world, lol. When people the party likes says something it's okay.
    Obama wasn't going on multiple media appearances excited about how cool Castro's Cuba was, nor did he have a honeymoon in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War. Obama was able to do this because he's not running as a socialist and hasn't got multiple incidents in the past defending Communist countries during the Cold War, everyone knows he's a capitalist - that's what protects him. That's credibility Sanders hasn't got. We've tried to tell you this. Sanders candidacy lives and dies on the party's approval, and by "party" I mean Democratic voters.

    Hell Democrats hate that Trump is accused of Sexual Assault, Tara Reade comes out against Biden like other women do, and people start scrubbing their Twitter timelines, and News sites start moving their articles about her to their sports section.
    It's bad when Trump does it, but is ok when Biden does it? We still need to investigate, but this is the corruption I speak of.
    Reducing circumstances of Biden's support, and I use that term loosely, to a black and white binary state that blurs the line between the two. You know what a compromise candidate is and many here, including me, would have prefer someone else winning. Since Biden won we're stuck with him as the nominee. I don't appreciate how you ignored how I've said I was ok with investigating those claims against Biden in prior posts. You don't think what Turner did for the Trump supporter was corruption?

    No offense, But if you post a link by NOTED Bernie hater Edward Isaac Dovere Or Tommy, I won't take it seriously. Just tossing that out there.
    The link was for lurkers, I don't hold any optimism any link would "satisfy" you.

    It is a joke, but not much of one.
    We both know the party of Donald J Trump isn't going to embrace a Communist sympathiser - that's how they view Sanders.

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    On this date in 2015, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” profiled Randy Brogdon, a conservative extremist who actually once challenged Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin by trying to run to her right, based on his record of voting for things like allowing medical staff to refuse to treat a patient seeking an abortion for any reason, even if their life is in danger, based on their spiritual beliefs, supporting stricter Voter ID laws to combat the statistically non-existent problem of in-person voter fraud, pushing for “Stand Your Ground” firearms laws, and trying to take the unconstitutional step of making English the official language of the Sooner State. All of that seems to get overlooked because of the fact that Brogdon was also a complete loon who would attend events based around nullifying federal law, and that he believed in conspiracy theories like NAFTA leading to an eventual North American Union. Before he faded from relevance, Brogdon also began to call for Oklahoma to form its own state militia to protect its sovereignity from the federal government, and in a terribly racist moment later, asked the Black Caucus of the Oklahoma state legislature if the Affordable Care Act would also cover the cost of meals of fried chicken they might eat. He never apologized for that. Brogdon challenged Mary Fallin for the second time in the 2014 elections, and failed to crack even 5% of the vote. He has not run for office since.
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    It was in 2016, 2017, 2018, and in 2019, that “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” profiled the sitting U.S. House Representative for Georgia’s 11th Congressional District, Barry Loudermilk, who after serving in the Georgia state legislature for about eight years, defeated a clown car full of several Republicans in the primary for his seat in the 2014 elections to replace Congressman Phil Gingrey. Before Loudermilk was even sworn in to serve in the House, he was hanging out with the Family Research Council on their program as well, being interviewed by the running joke about hypocrisy that is Josh Duggar, where Loudermilk lamented the suffering he and his fellow Christians have had to endure as “the left in America have so badly damaged the holiday of Christmas”.Loudermilk was quickly hot-shotted to be the GOP’s new head of the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee after being sworn in. and became the latest in a list of Republicans who seemed like they were given the job ironically when at his first town hall, Rep. Loudermilk was asked by a constituent if vaccines are linked to autism and he began boasting that he hadn’t vaccinated his children. After this unprecedented gaffe, there were even Republican strategists calling for Loudermilk’s resignation. This was in his SECOND MONTH on the job.

    The crazy part, though, is that isn’t even the weirdest exchange from the town hall. Oh, no. Because for whatever reason, Loudermilk started discussing immigration with another constituent, who suggested the United States should “learn something from Afghanistan and start putting IUDs in the ground”. Now, that’s a weird idea for two reasons… the first being that she probably didn’t mean IUDs, which are a form of birth control, but probably meant IEDs, or “improvised explosive devices”. That seemed to be how Loudermilk interpreted her suggestion, to which he only objected because AMERICANS might get hurt. Any Mexican children that might find one of these rigged charges? Serves ‘em right for sniffing a chunk of real estate in the land of the free, man! But in that disastrous town hall, Loudermilk clearly wasn’t misspeaking when he voiced his fears that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the American government enough that they have gained access to the White House. He went on to elaborate and say that the Republican caucus of the House looked at ways to arrest Attorney General Eric Holder, before insinuating that the Council on American-Islamic Relations was a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot.

    In March 2016, right on the heels of the terror attacks in Brussels, Loudermilk spoke before the House and explained what the real problem in winning the war on terror was… “political correctness”, which he felt was somehow the cause of the deaths of Americans, because we are too afraid to hurt the feelings of terrorists. At Loudermilk’s next town hall in July of 2015, he responded to the news of the massacre at the Emanuel AME Church, and how as a result, the South Carolina state legislature had voted to take down the Confederate flag in their state capitol. Well, apparently David Barton’s tendency to re-write false histories is contagious, and Barry Loudermilk has also caught that disease. You see, as Loudermilk explained, he thought the shooting was motivated by anti-Christian hate (and not racism, like Dylann Roof actually was). Instead, Loudermilk pivoted the talk to being about gay marriage, comparing it to slavery by saying, “Hey, it was the Supreme Court’s opinion that Dred Scott and slavery was okay, did they get that right?” While his voting record might not stretch on that long, Loudermilk has already voted to defund the Department of Homeland Security over President Obama’s delayed deportation orders on immigration, voted to try and defund Planned Parenthood based on the “sting” videos provided by the Center for Medical Progress, voted to try and block Syrian refugees from being resettled in the United States by supporting the SAFE Act and enjoys hanging out with anti-Islamic lunatic Frank Gaffney on his radio show to fearmonger about Muslim refugees.

    Georgia’s 11th Congressional District has a +19 lean in the Cook Partisan Voting Index,
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    and that was enough to grant him a victory with 61% of the vote in 2018 over Democrat Flynn Broady, Jr., https://ballotpedia.org/Georgia%27s_...election,_2018
    an Army veteran and Solicitor General of Cobb Country Georgia. And so, Barry Loudermilk continued being downright awful as a legislator:



    And, our last update on Barry Loudermilk came only days before Christmas, when he claimed that the treatment Democrats were giving Donald Trump during the impeachment trial was worse than Pontius Pilate treated Jesus. Last time we checked, nobody sized up the dumbass-in-chief for any crowns of thorns or anything, so this would be not just inappropriate, but very ill-timed hyperbole. Like… ‘tis the season, Barry.

    Anyway, we’re looking forward to the year Barry Loudermilk retires, and we don’t have to hear him say stupid s*** like this.
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    The reason no one cares about Tara is 4 fold.

    1. Depp/Heard proved that newsgroups backing one side (and they inevitably will) can blow up in their face massively.

    2. Trump has had a metric ton of allegations against him his rape of his first wife is even in her biography ffs! Meanwhile thids is Bidens....only(?) accusation.

    3. Timing. She made a big deal out of it, then went incredibly quiet when it turned out that Biden does this to everyone only to bring it up now when (for all intents and purposes) hes won.

    4. Ties to Russian news, the same Russia that wont stop destabilising the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    The reason no one cares about Tara is 4 fold.

    1. Depp/Heard proved that newsgroups backing one side (and they inevitably will) can blow up in their face massively.

    2. Trump has had a metric ton of allegations against him his rape of his first wife is even in her biography ffs! Meanwhile thids is Bidens....only(?) accusation.

    3. Timing. She made a big deal out of it, then went incredibly quiet when it turned out that Biden does this to everyone only to bring it up now when (for all intents and purposes) hes won.

    4. Ties to Russian news, the same Russia that wont stop destabilising the USA
    There are valid reasons to be skeptical of Reade's story but some folks seem to think 'believe women' means 'believe uncritically'. When Ford's allegations came out against Kavanaugh, I said they ought to be investigated, and testimony given. Kavanaugh was hardly suitable for the high court and displayed a temperament unbecoming a supreme court justice. I have little difficulty believing that he did the things that were claimed he did. Men, especially men of power, often think they're entitled to women's bodies and personal space.

    Which, of course, brings us to Biden. Biden too has acted in ways that show an entitlement to women's bodies and their personal space, and he's absolutely made more than one woman uncomfortable with that. We know that these things can stay /very buried/, as the very Republican speaker of the house that we don't like to talk about was an actual rapist and serial sexual abuser of children. And it stayed buried. For years. If Biden is what she says he is, others will come forward. There's never merely /one/ victim. There are /always/ more for men in these positions because the consequences don't get applied.

    These kind of attacks will be the norm for Democratic politicians because they know we expect better from our candidates and hope to make us unwilling to hold our noses and vote for them while they run Actual Rapist Donald Trump. The Republicans will never expect better of their own because they don't actually care. They never cared about Juanita Broderick or Paula Jones, in actuality, given what we know of the litany of characters involved in Clinton's impeachment, and I doubt many of them and at least some of Bernie's supporters give one shit about Tara Reade beyond what she can do to Biden's campaign in a last ditch effort to sink him and land Bernie the nomination they think he deserves.

    She's made the accusation. It deserves to be heard and litigated, carefully, because bad actors absolutely will take the ball she's giving them and run with it as far as they'll be allowed to.

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    The left and media don't care about Tara because Biden is the likely democrat nominee and they don't want to give Trump ammunition. Just like they don't care about the extremely credible accusers, like Juanita Broadrick, who accused Bill Clinton and that they don't care that Hilary is a complete hypocrite when given how she attacked her husband's accusers in the media and then later tried to make herself into an advocate for female victims.

    Its all about what party you are. One of the many reasons why there are many who hate both sides as both sides turn a complete partisan blind eye to their own parties misdeeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    Stacy is too close to Bloomberg now for me, and I don't like Kamala. He picks Turner (Which he's not) he gets my attention. He picks any actual Progressive, Male or female, I hate Virtue Signaling. Because If I don't vote for Biden, they'll say it's because he picked a woman lol. The left side of the party can't win.
    I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Virtue signaling? Picking Tina Turner? Is it some kind of sexist dog whistle to capitalize Male but not female?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Imagine thinking Nina Turner is a viable vice-presidential candidate while bashing on a lady who's registered more voters than Kemp can purge for the last year.
    Wait... He meant NINA Turner? I thought Tina was a stretch because of her age and being a Buddhist, but Nina is completely ridiculous. Not in this world or any other is that woman ever going to be anybody's Veep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquirrelMan View Post
    Wait... He meant NINA Turner? I thought Tina was a stretch because of her age and being a Buddhist, but Nina is completely ridiculous. Not in this world or any other is that woman ever going to be anybody's Veep.
    Everyone likes Tina Turner, make her Biden's VP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    If I'm looking at what I tend to believe is the case that Biden seems to be making?

    I tend to lean towards Booker.

    I think that he tends to make the best(and, honestly, the clearest...) case for what seems to be the "Aspirational..." component of Biden's pitch.

    He seems like he is probably the best surrogate when it comes to that Biden might wind up being an issue.
    Biden said woman, not bisexual male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Everyone likes Tina Turner, make her Biden's VP.
    Seconded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    The left and media don't care about Tara because Biden is the likely democrat nominee and they don't want to give Trump ammunition. Just like they don't care about the extremely credible accusers, like Juanita Broadrick, who accused Bill Clinton and that they don't care that Hilary is a complete hypocrite when given how she attacked her husband's accusers in the media and then later tried to make herself into an advocate for female victims.

    Its all about what party you are. One of the many reasons why there are many who hate both sides as both sides turn a complete partisan blind eye to their own parties misdeeds.
    And it bit Hillary in the ass when the Access Hollywood tape came out and she couldn’t fully capitalize on what should have been a campaign ending moment because all of Bill Clinton’s accusers and the way Hillary treated them. They had no interest in having that litigated again and they didn’t go as hard at Trump because.

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