All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[The Darknight Detective]

It's like putting an AI into a Model-T

lol

Perfectly stated, Tami.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Death to caucuses

You’d think that after what happened in Iowa, every other state would’ve been better prepared. Reprehensible!

[JCAll]

That's different. They oversee young men giving each other incurable brain damage for a scholarship and a shot at fame and fortune.

Hey, now, be fair. That's not their only job. They also cover up sexual assault.

[Steel Inquisitor]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

That tells you why he's running. There's nothing about wanting to make Americans live like hippies.

Completely missed what I was getting at. This isn't about words, this is about deeds and experiencing life as as socialist most people don't get the opportunities to do. It's not about reworking America over into a hippy commune, it would be about exploring various socialisms in the real world rather than reading about it in an academic paper.

Exactly.

Has everyone else seen some kind of blood oath that Sanders signed?

One other thing...

Let's be straight with each other for a minute about communes.

What there is an "I Am The Most Straight Edge!!!!..." buddy there who is just waiting to take others to task because they aren't pulling the weight that he is?

That ain't exactly one that I would have a hard time believing was actually the case.

For someone that curious about socialism this shows Sanders is all talk about doing it in the real world. He went to Russia and Cuba at the height of the Cold War but a couple days experiencing life on a commune is too much to expect him to participate in? Where's your curiosity in experiencing socialism, completely divorced from the current capitalist status quo? Sanders isn't doing this as a theoretical exercise, he's supposed to be reshaping America away from capitalism. In the real world that has consequences and experiences people in America haven't a clue what it's like, and you don't seem that inclined to try.

Socialism is an ideology which is meant to be defining Sanders as a person for the majority of his life, but when it came to experiencing it his curiosity ended by simply talking to people, so much so he got kicked out for disturbing their work process, rather than doing it himself to expand his horizons as a socialist. This is meant to be the leader of the movement which is going to bring a new dawn for your ideology? What happened to being impressed by leaders who got their hands dirty and experienced things themselves?

[Malvolio]

You’d think that after what happened in Iowa, every other state would’ve been better prepared. Reprehensible!

Most states have prepared better by having primaries which are run more or less the same way as general elections. Only Nevada had to be like Iowa and have this clusterfuck caucus.

[Theleviathan]

More like: death to electronic vote-tally systems in the caucuses, IMO.

Sure, but they're doing that because protecting voters and the process is so hard in a caucus. They are basically party-sanctioned peer pressure, which I can't imagine anything worse as it relates to voting. Voting shouldn't be done under duress from your neighbors about your choices.

These dumb apps are giving us an exit ramp off this stupid idea. We should take it.

[Tazirai]

Except people here all hate Bloomberg and are only interested in voting for him in the general, not the primaries. As a last resort.

They're both aren't Democrats and are only using their party for their own ends. Someone bought terrible things Sanders has done only to be ignored by Sanders supporters. He truly can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters and that's worrying.

I'd vote for either of them in a heartbeat over Trump if they're the nominee, since it'll be a Democrat or Republican president when this is over. I'd prefer it not to be Trump.

You are vulnerable to propaganda, it's been shown in detail where you fall for it and how you're not immune it because you says you are. You refuse to listen. Nobody's lying about people.

Not agreeing with you isn't taking a stand, it's simply taking a political position you disagree with. I don't think you understand how badly Sanders has hurt himself among progressives, and other wings, as a candidate and that not everyone buys he's as competent as he says he is. We need a Democratic president who will make progress in the White House, not the next Jimmy Carter.



How do you dislike Gabbard and like Nina Turner? They both support Gabbard, and Turner had troubles leading Our Revolution by refusing to fire a Trump supporter.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-figaro-603410



Would you tolerate the Sanders administration have Trump supporters high in the ranks? They will with Turner, who is rumoured to be a pick for his chief of staff.

Just so you know I do not support Gabbards. I do TRUST Nina Turner, more than I do the MAJORITY of Democrats.
I do not trust a DAMN word Politico writes whether it favors or shits on Sanders.

Again. I don't fall for Propaganda regardless of what you say.


WHAT Terrible things has Sanders done? PLEASE enlighten me, You know I'll read and respond. I always do, except for 3 people. I don't take Paul, Leviathan, and the Squirrel serious.

[Theleviathan]

WHAT Terrible things has Sanders done? PLEASE enlighten me, You know I'll read and respond. I always do, except for 3 people. I don't take Paul, Leviathan, and the Squirrel serious.

Sucks to get called on lies and misinformation I guess. For someone who espouses how propaganda-proof they are, you post a lot of stuff that's straight up false or nonsense.

[Tazirai]

That's a completely different analogy -- outside of maybe Biden, what candidate is actually representing African-American interests in this election?

I can see how it can be argued that Sanders' policies will benefit everyone, but that's not the same as addressing the issue of race directly in this country.

To the contrary, it's likely most will try to avoid getting involved with "identity politics" in order to attract more white voters.

Sanders has addressed Race over and over, and has linked it to some peoples dismay to social and financial anxiety.

Why?

History.

The Slaves were going to be freed when the drafts of the Constitution was written. But we owed France and Germany money, even though Germany played two face.

The rich white people told poor white people, in the south, if we free the slaves, they're gonna take your ****.

In the 1800's Rich white people told middle-class white people that poor white people and black people were gonna take their ****.

Today rich white people tell everyone not a rich white person the Brown people from the south are not only gonna take your ****, but rape your daughters.
Same rich white people tell even the brown people from the south, that if we don't kill the brown people from the middle east, their just gonna kill you, then take your ****.


It's always been rich white folks telling everybpdy else, that some other color is gonna take their ****. Biden did it, Bloomberg still does it, Trump did it, 90's era Democrats did it, Republicans always do it.

But there are videos on this thing called Youtube where you can look up a certain Senators videos defending women, trans, gays, blacks, browns, etc.

I would love to see his terrible.

#neverbloomberg.

[Tazirai]

Bernie is old enough that anything can happen. I firmly believe that the choice of VP (for any candidate) should be based on their qualifications to assume the office of President at a moments notice. Choosing someone with little or no political or governing leadership experience is worse than McCain choosing Palin as a running mate.

Nina Turner was a Senator. I understand your hesitance on Gabbards. But there is ZERO evidence of that. I would love to see the proof of it.

[Tazirai]

She does not have anything close to conventional qualifications for national office. She is one of over ten-thousand former state legislators in the country, and lost her most recent race, for minor statewide office, by a 2 to 1 margin.

To argue that her role as the head of a Super-Pac qualifies her for national office can make sense if her tenure was immensely and unambiguously successful. That does not appear to be the case.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ts-2018-599331

Who is qualified to be President?
Also Politico is a terrible rag. Bias "journalism" in favor of both Republican and Democratic Establishment.
Nina is a firebrand, she doesn't bend the knee, so of course the Democratic establishment acts against her.

You have to give the context along with the numbers.

For instance, Marie Newman is running against Dan Lapinski and she almost beat him last time, but the DCCC moved against a PRO-CHOICE woman, to support a man who took his Daddies seat, was a Republican and is anti-choice. Why? he supports the establishment.
So they support him, just like they supported Turner's opponent. Just like they moved against Keith Ellison. Interparty fighting is a thing and is ignored often in favor of reporting Numbers only. But numbers don't always speak the truth. I do numbers daily.

Numbers can only get you so far, based on the way you alter the data.

[Tazirai]

The accusation came from nowhere so she gave it the answer it deserved.

There's no record of her ever saying anything about voting for Stein. Neera Tanden made it up to get under her skin.

Neera Tanden is such a **** person. The only people who really believe her have agendas that lean toward the Establishment and not the people.

Neera wants a win to ge a cush job, and just like all these black folks out surprisingly supporting Bloomberg now, she wants that money.

[Tami]

Nina Turner was a Senator. I understand your hesitance on Gabbards. But there is ZERO evidence of that. I would love to see the proof of it.

Looked her up, Wiki says she was a State Senator, not a Congressional Senator. My point is that I favor candidates, both as Presidential Candidates and as VP Candidates, who have Washington D.C. experience. It's for that reason that Buttigeig isn't high on my list.

I'm burnt out by Outsiders, I want an Insider. Someone who has connections in Washington D.C., experience in how things work, and the ability to get things done.

If Turner gets elected as Senator to Washington D.C., I might reconsider her qualifications.

I feel the same way about Stacy Abrams. Though I respect what she has done and is trying to do, I wouldn't recommend her to be anyone's VP, at least not yet . If she had been elelcted to be Governor, I might have reconsidered my opinion.

[Tazirai]

Looked her up, Wiki says she was a State Senator, not a Congressional Senator. My point is that I favor candidates, both as Presidential Candidates and as VP Candidates, who have Washington D.C. experience. It's for that reason that Buttigeig isn't high on my list.

I'm burnt out by Outsiders, I want an Insider. Someone who has connections in Washington D.C., experience in how things work, and the ability to get things done.

If Turner gets elected as Senator to Washington D.C., I might reconsider her qualifications.

When you say get things done. What do you mean by that?

Get things done that harm the people in favor of Bipartisanship?
Or get things done that actually help us?

I used to be a moderate in favor of "Gettings things done". But then I found out that most of those things don't involve my welfare.
I get more radical as time goes on because things are literally not getting done.The things that are are not to our benefit.

I honestly cannot think of a single thing done to benefit me in the last 5 years. From either party.
I don't want to get things done with War Mongers, people that look down on Palestinians, invade South American countries in the form of Coups, cannot negotiate medicine, ignore the roads I drive on, the safety of the food and water, promote guns in schools, deny a wage increase, threaten the welfare of the environment, impede on native lands, etc.

So what are we getting done that helps us? I'm honestly intrigued as I here this vague term from many moderates and conservatives, and especially the media.

[aja_christopher]

Sanders has addressed Race over and over, and has linked it to some peoples dismay to social and financial anxiety.

Talk is cheap.

People want to see -- and respond better to -- action.

I'm not the one to lecture about this regardless -- it's Sanders who needs those votes, not me.

We'll see if his technique is more effective this time around in contrast to his opponents.