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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    When we’ve privatised water, gas, electricity, Post Office...I don’t really understand why BBC should be a sacred cow that everybody HAS to pay for whether we want to watch it or not...especially given the pay levels of many of the BBC employees and sub contacted “entertainers”.
    Because those things frankly SHOULDN'T of been privatised. Their inefficiency and bad service shows that in spades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    The waste dump issue isn't as big of a thing, if it ever was
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/be...nuclear-waste/

    Since you didn't post the full context. I'll post Sanders reasonings from his own mouth.
    This isn't solely about Sanders, what about the people in that community who didn't want it there?

    Joe Rogans endorsement is not a bad nor terrible thing. I disagree with Rogan on many things, but his audience is MASSIVE, I thought the moderates wanted to reach across the aisle and get voters from the other side?
    I'm not a moderate. I value census across the aisle, what I don't do is parley with Nazis. What's worse is that he isn't offering them anything they want, aside from boosting Rogan's profile. You know what's frustrating about this, where is Sanders priority at soothing older voters and progressives who don't like him? He'll do this for Rogan, no questions asked, but won't do it for the latter. You're minimising how bad Rogan is, he isn't a garden variety moderate conservative.

    Ceny Ugyurs Endorsement is also not a bad nor a terrible thing. It was a smear campaign that triggered and will ALWAYS trigger the WOKE crowd who finds everything wrong and upsetting to someone. Ugyur even addressed this BEFORE he even considered running.
    Bernie only took back the endorsement after Ugyur asked him to. Which is why he didn't take away Rogans.
    Why? We cannot give into the Woke crowd who always finds something to be upset about. We give in to that group, we'll always give in.
    The "woke" crowd? Who are you referring to? There's nothing to smear Cenk with, he's got numerous fatal flaws as a candidate. It's why he got kicked out of the Justice Democrats. Which isn't a good look for Sanders, if he didn't do it on his own. Being upset about sexism, genocide denial, used the N word on air, and rated women on their appearance. Those are qualities which would suit running in a Republican primaries, not the Democrats. We care about those things.

    This passage reads like it comes from a conservative perspective, not a progressive one. Frankly, it's confusing,

    Sanders "Honeymoon" is a big SO WHAT! We can't travel the ONE planet we live on?
    He's not going to a random country, he went to one America was in a Cold War with. Context. On his honeymoon, of all things.

    Also if you were being honest, you'd realize that he didn't go alone, He went with Republicans and Democrats during what is called the Sister Cities Program, which by the way is still going on today.
    The way you guys make it seem is that If I go to Russia and give it ANY form of praise, I'm somehow a commie? What is this the Red Scare?
    None of those people have videos that look like Soviet propaganda. Sanders completely bungled whatever good he was trying to do by appearing like he supports the dictatorship. During that time period, doing anything like that would give the impression he's sympathetic to the other side. As a politician he should have known better. It's a sensitive topic for a reason.

    Is Russia at fault for everything?
    Only things Russia does.

    Bernie was right to combat the invasion of South America. It's part of the problems we have down there to this day.
    You can complain about America's actions in the Cold War without looking like you support the other side. This is what Sanders doesn't get and it'd cost him in the general.

    So where was this HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE, MALICIOUS stuff he was supposed to have done?
    We've covered quite a lot of it. Those would be terrible ammunition for Fox News to bare 24/7 against him, and depress Democratic turnout. What you're not getting is that while they may be things you have no problems with they will for other people. He's going to have to do more to win over the Chris Matthews' side of the party - those votes can't be relied on.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...utions-949802/

    “I have my own views of the word ‘socialist’ and I’d be glad to share them with you in private. They go back to the early 1950s. I have an attitude about them. I remember the Cold War,” he said.

    Matthews continued, “I have an attitude towards [Fidel] Castro. I believe if Castro and the Reds had won the Cold War there would have been executions in Central Park and I might have been one of the ones getting executed. And certain other people would be there cheering, okay?”

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    Wait wait wait.....a Bernie supporter shitting on those who are Woke?

    Bernie IS Woke.

    The time warp has gotten worse

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    LMAO Chris Mathews is a joke. Even the other people on the panel were like WTF during his rant.
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    Donald Stratton, USS Arizona Crew Member And Pearl Harbor Survivor, Dead At 97

    “One of Donald’s final wishes was that people remember Pearl Harbor and the men aboard the USS Arizona...and never forget those who gave all for our great country.” And now, there are only two survivors left.

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    Rival Democrats Accuse Bloomberg Of Trying To ‘Buy’ Election

    Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg all targeted billionaire Mike Bloomberg. Is Tulsi the Russian Asset still in the race, and, if so, does she approve of what 'Money Mike' is allegedly doing?

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    More Than 1,100 Former DOJ Officials Press For Attorney General Barr To Step Down

    The officials warned William Barr’s interference in criminal cases for Trump’s personal benefit is behavior one would expect to see in an autocracy. Droopy Dog Barr has been an utter embarrassment, shamelessly acting as Donald Trump's mouthpiece/consigliere/hatchetman. Meanwhile....

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    George Conway Thinks William Barr’s Rebuke Of Trump Had A Hidden Message

    Kellyanne Conway’s husband interprets the attorney general’s criticism as more of a masked warning. Then there's this....

    People Aren’t Buying William Barr’s Rebuke Of Donald Trump

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    Buttigieg Responds To Limbaugh’s Homophobic Remarks: ‘I’m Proud Of My Marriage’

    “I’m not going to take lectures on family values” from him, the Democratic presidential candidate told CNN. Sadly, that firestorm isn't going to die down anytime soon. Count on the right wing smear machine churning out warnings to easily fearful Republican voters that Washington will become Sodom and Gomorrah if Buttigieg were to win the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    Sanders has addressed Race over and over, and has linked it to some peoples dismay to social and financial anxiety.

    Why?

    History.
    And because he does not grasp that the problem is bigger than his pet issue.

    Serena Williams is a millionaire. She is one of the most famous women in the world. She still nearly died giving birth because of racism.

    Serena Williams Calls Racism In Health Care “Heartbreaking”

    You can ignore me, but ignore those truths at your personal peril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    What about Jacobin?

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/06/n...mocratic-party



    Why separates Turner from Gabbard to you? The two are tied at the hip in politics, whenever Gabbard gets into a controversy Turner isn't far behind defending her.

    Why do you trust Turner more than the Democrats?



    Sierra Blanca. He wanted to dump radioactive waste in a Latino Community who refused it.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47356...ear-waste-dump

    https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02...xas-Activists/

    Getting Joe Rogan's endorsement.

    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...enry-kissinger

    Endorsing Cenk Uyger.

    https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/...th************

    Sanders honeymoon in the Soviet Union. There are videos of this.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...r-new-scrutiny

    Sanders supporting the Sandinista's in 1985.

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/b...ica-sandinista

    That's just off the top of my head, there are other things.



    My point is plain as can be. I didn't say he had to agree with them, It was about the experience of socialism - it's not like you can do that anywhere in America. Being a reporter he was interested in hearing what they had to say, but didn't want to put himself in their shoes. To live as they did. Had he done what I was saying would you have been impressed how far he was going to experience socialism? Isn't that the goal, to make America socialist?
    Again, he was not really a reporter. He never had a job outside politics, remember? He was doing a propaganda writeup for a socialist party newsletter, Movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    ….dude... That... isn't a good look for Sanders still.
    Wait... Tazirai linking to a Snopes article that does not do what he thinks it does?


    It's Groundhog Day!!


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    Not posting pictures because of "female presenting nipples":

    Drama as Sanders got interrupted by nude protesters who tore the mic away from him to say ... (checks note, looks directly into camera):

    Bernie, I’m your biggest supporter!
    Video and booby pics here.


    He handled it in his usual curmudgeon way:

    The group of topless protesters stormed a Bernie Sanders rally in Nevada Sunday afternoon, throwing paint, fake blood and water on the podium before security whisked them away.

    Sen. Sanders, speaking at a rally in Carson City, had just finished introducing his wife as “the next first lady” when a woman ran up to the podium, trying to grab Sanders’ mic.

    A visibly irritated Sanders yanked the mic away. The woman then grabbed another mic on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquirrelMan View Post
    Again, he was not really a reporter. He never had a job outside politics, remember? He was doing a propaganda writeup for a socialist party newsletter, Movement.
    Doesn't really matter.

    If this one was a car, it wouldn't even get you out of sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Doesn't really matter.

    If this one was a car, it wouldn't even get you out of sight.
    I don't believe in cars. Public transport is the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superbat View Post
    LMAO Chris Mathews is a joke. Even the other people on the panel were like WTF during his rant.
    On this...

    Without trying to knock a dude too hard on his age, Matthews did look incredibly old on that one.

    I almost wanted someone to ask him what a gallon of gas cost back then.

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    Zany Bernie supporters grabs his microphone to protest the dairy industry and a frustrated Bernie just lets her and walks away. Not a strong setting when you're letting your own supporters walk all over you. Doesn't he have any security?

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    The one good thing about Bloomberg running has been the quality of most of the ads.

    He just released a new one, full of receipts about Bernie Bros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    This isn't solely about Sanders, what about the people in that community who didn't want it there?



    I'm not a moderate. I value census across the aisle, what I don't do is parley with Nazis. What's worse is that he isn't offering them anything they want, aside from boosting Rogan's profile. You know what's frustrating about this, where is Sanders priority at soothing older voters and progressives who don't like him? He'll do this for Rogan, no questions asked, but won't do it for the latter. You're minimising how bad Rogan is, he isn't a garden variety moderate conservative.



    The "woke" crowd? Who are you referring to? There's nothing to smear Cenk with, he's got numerous fatal flaws as a candidate. It's why he got kicked out of the Justice Democrats. Which isn't a good look for Sanders, if he didn't do it on his own. Being upset about sexism, genocide denial, used the N word on air, and rated women on their appearance. Those are qualities which would suit running in a Republican primaries, not the Democrats. We care about those things.

    This passage reads like it comes from a conservative perspective, not a progressive one. Frankly, it's confusing,



    He's not going to a random country, he went to one America was in a Cold War with. Context. On his honeymoon, of all things.



    None of those people have videos that look like Soviet propaganda. Sanders completely bungled whatever good he was trying to do by appearing like he supports the dictatorship. During that time period, doing anything like that would give the impression he's sympathetic to the other side. As a politician he should have known better. It's a sensitive topic for a reason.



    Only things Russia does.



    You can complain about America's actions in the Cold War without looking like you support the other side. This is what Sanders doesn't get and it'd cost him in the general.



    We've covered quite a lot of it. Those would be terrible ammunition for Fox News to bare 24/7 against him, and depress Democratic turnout. What you're not getting is that while they may be things you have no problems with they will for other people. He's going to have to do more to win over the Chris Matthews' side of the party - those votes can't be relied on.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...utions-949802/
    Rogan has gotten valid criticism for platforming members of the so-called "intellectual dark web," but he's far from a Nazi. His actual politics line up as moderate liberal. I think a lot of people don't seem to be aware that over the last year or so he's had more progressive pundints and left wing guests ( including Cornel West who seemed to open Rogan's mind a bit). As far as what Sanders is offering Rogan's audience they want? I'd say healthcare and debt relief.

    They've been saying this stuff for almost a year now. Unfortunately, some mainstream Democrats have bought into it. Matthews going on about Cuba is truly embarrassing.
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