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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Falcon View Post
    One thing I realized today about the comparison between Bernie supporters feeling insulted and not wanting to vote on the one hand, and other voters not feeling insulted and not wanting to vote on the other: They're not the same. Bernie Bros are engaged. They're in the mix of the political process, fighting for their candidate, in theory aware of the issues and stakes. This is different from scaring off disengaged people who dislike how toxic politics can become, or disengaged moderates who see the label "socialist" and it triggers scary thoughts.

    Bernie Bros should know better. They're the progressives, the people on the ground, who one would think should be counted among those fighting the good fight for the future of the United States. Yet so many are willing to burn bridges and tear down their allies before their enemies. So many are willing to sit it out after all they've don and let Trump win so they can say, "See? Told you so. You should've appeased us." That doesn't sit right with me.
    Let me guess, You want us to vote for your guy correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    Let me guess, You want us to vote for your guy correct?
    We want you to vote for whoever winds up the nominee. I'll glady (and happily) vote Bernie whatever my reservations about how he'd govern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarman View Post
    I’m sorry you see it that way. But I think that it is a ludicrous statement to assert that Bernie Sanders, who got arrested during one protest and has rode that all his life while doing nothing of substance to change laws to benefit black or brown people, even as governor of Vermont, is a more sincere politician that legitimately cares for minority communities more than folks like John Lewis or the late, great, Elijah Cummings. I don’t think we’ll ever agree here.



    What video are we talking about? The one deceptively edited to make it look like he endorsed Trump? The one where his wife and sister actually switched on him and caused momentary confusion? Honestly, these are things that are deceptively edited into out-of-context video segments that could lead one to think something might be up. But I do my research and I watch every video put out there in context. As someone has actually had close relationships with family members as they went through each stage, Biden’s performance doesn’t hit Mild Cognitive Impairment levels. If you think it does, I’d encourage you to watch the videos in context alongside the actual symptoms and monumental amounts of proof one needs to assert such a thing.

    And, sorry, if you truly think Trump is “all there” any more than Biden, I have a bridge to sell y
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    You smear Sanders again. You guys love saying he's done nothing. So I won't even entertain trying to argue with you on this because you're being facetious here.

    As far as which video and being "Deceptively edited" You guys kill me. If you post Bidens WHO speech saturday alone, of just HIM at his event. From a local News source, You probably would think that that was "deceptively edited" also.


    I'm done with the party after this. once I go back to Independent next month for Car registration. I'm never changing back for a Democratic Primary. I stopped giving the DNC money years ago. Because the Democratic party hurts Americans by being apathetic.

    Bernie is hated, they should have played up the hate from the establishment. Fight those fuckers as hard as possible, and just take the hate. You guys don't care about actual progress, it's all about slow change as the world burns and people die, and wages stagnate.

    Biden is unelectable.

    You want me to vote for this guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    We want you to vote for whoever winds up the nominee. I'll glady (and happily) vote Bernie whatever my reservations about how he'd govern.
    Well Bloombergs out, lol. Or else you'd have been disappointed. **** that guy.
    Also, **** Democrats for taking the money from a racist, bigoted, authoritarian, who was a Republican two minutes ago. Another reason I'll never give them money, they can use Bloombergs.

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    ...There's no source for where Axios got their information from. Honestly, this sounds absurd. Why did you take this seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crabble View Post
    ...There's no source for where Axios got their information from. Honestly, this sounds absurd. Why did you take this seriously?
    Right? This article seems to exist purely to provoke people like Tazirai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crabble View Post
    ...There's no source for where Axios got their information from. Honestly, this sounds absurd. Why did you take this seriously?
    It's kinda like how many people that **** on Sanders and his supporters quote articles with no sources. But people take it seriously.

    Anyway. I'm more inclined to believe it after all the endorsements last week. Also, Axios is not known to put out bogus things.

    Also, Biden did this to a voter with a NAFTA sign.

    Biden's Detroit rally was interrupted by protestors holding a banner that read "NAFTA Killed Jobs."

    He responded by first asking if they were "with Donald Trump," then proclaiming "the Bernie Bros are here!"


    Unlike Bernie, Biden didn't preface it with Bernie is my friend and a decent guy.

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    I predict this same outcome come the fall.

    Black Turnout Soft in Early Voting, Boding Ill for Hillary Clinton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    Was turnout actually soft, or was it just voter suppression?

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    Not satisfied with my response. Brb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Was turnout actually soft, or was it just voter suppression?
    A little bit of both most likely. In North Carolina just this last primary. The House GOP was able to shut down many polling sites in Minority areas, especially among black and hispanic populations. They don't consider NC First nations people as human, so they have ZERO polling stations. The Lumbee tribes nation here fought to get some and didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post
    1. No. I said nobody is as bad as Trump.

    2. I think he will do what he can (depending upon who controls the House and Senate) to undo Trump's madness. Then probably not go any further. The problem is that Sanders represents real change. I see Biden trying his best to present himself as a moderate who claims he won't rock the boat. And I see some on the Left advocating change here and there yet they want to distance themselves from Sanders or anyone advocating real change.

    And yes, there's change nothing as in let Trump's madness reign and then there's change nothing as in undo Trump's madness (which any Democrat will try to do) but nothing else.

    As you said yourself, will Biden really go after SS when the Democratic party won't support that? No. But the key there is he only wouldn't do it because he'd lose almost all of his support. As opposed to someone who actively wants to bolster SS. Why not just support the candidate of real change? Or is it just what I said at the start, that we think Biden has a better chance of winning?

    On that take, yes, if Biden wins the nomination, I would vote for him because getting Trump and the GOP out of power is more important by far. For me, it comes down to Sanders being the better progressive Democrat candidate but do I want to take the risk when I think he has the lesser chance of winning when what's at stake is four more years of the narcissist bigoted, environmental disaster and racial and ethnic bigotry of Trump? Even I think it's a good idea to go for the best chance of winning.
    I don't think Biden is a 'good' candidate either, my support for Warren and criticisms of Biden have been around for at least 2 of these politics threads. I hate where we are, with Biden as the likely nominee and everyone at each other's throats more than ever. While I agree that he wouldn't go past fixing Trump's bullshit, I also think he will sign actual progressive legislation that makes it to his desk despite not pushing for it. The key there is getting the asses in seats who will vote it along to get to that desk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    Democrats just gave Trump 120 BILLION to murder people, and it would cost 80 billion to educate. Yeah I think Democrats would, since so many of them are actual fuckin morons and think appealing to the right wing is the best option for a WINNING Coalition.
    You make Bowyer Heed sad. But then again he's a fictional D&D character who hates all humans with a burning passion (including himself), so take that as you will.


    Seriously though, considering the **** that the GoP got for trying to eliminate Obamacare and even thinking of taking an axe to Social Security I don't think even the most conservative DINO would support attacking SS. No matter how moronic, I don't see any politician getting that high up and not knowing to protect their own ass from that level of stupid **** without fear of Trumpanzees driving them to do what they know is a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    The key there is getting the asses in seats who will vote it along to get to that desk.
    This. Exactly this. This is what I keep telling people. If you want actually progressive legislation to happen, you need to elect congress people, from the state level to the federal, who will make it happen. Instead, folks are too busy trying to elect a savior to the Presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    A little bit of both most likely. In North Carolina just this last primary. The House GOP was able to shut down many polling sites in Minority areas, especially among black and hispanic populations. They don't consider NC First nations people as human, so they have ZERO polling stations. The Lumbee tribes nation here fought to get some and didn't.
    I think you're underestimating the impact of voter suppression, tbh, though yet not having an Obama on the ticket was sure to soften support to some degree, alongside micro-targeted propaganda designed specifically to discourage black voting -- though this is also of course a form of suppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    This. Exactly this. This is what I keep telling people. If you want actually progressive legislation to happen, you need to elect congress people, from the state level to the federal, who will make it happen. Instead, folks are too busy trying to elect a savior to the Presidency.
    I've said the same thing about third parties. You can't just prop up a Gary Johnson or Jill Stein every four years and then whine when they inevitably fail. A third party has to be built from the ground up.
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