All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Warren is essentially a part of the Klobuchar/Gabbard/Steyer pack, at the moment. That's just the reality up until now. If that will change? Who knows. Doesn't really change that there's not much to discuss when it comes to her at the moment.

Trying to make it about the press are saying about her should be called for what it is. The press were running with the line that unions would oppose Sanders last night. We all know what the reality was versus what the press was running with. I'll just go with the reality versus what outfits who are getting it wrong are telling me is going on in the race.

Mayor Pete may very well wind up in that pack in short order. He's only a part of the discussion because he picked up Delegates in the first two contests.

Biden is still discussion worth because he has the chance to pick up a win coming up.

Bloomberg is obviously discussion worthy because he could probably stay in for as long as he wants.

She's in that pack in more ways than one.

The conventional wisdom was that Kamala got a boost after the first debate, then she faded, all of sudden Warren got a boost, then Warren faded, all of a sudden Buttigieg got a boost, then he cooled down, then Klobuchar started seeing some gains. There's a group of voters out there that don't want Bernie or Biden and are hopping around but it's not giving them majorities.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Warren is erasing herself by not contesting these early primaries strongly enough. Her debate performance was nice, but a couple of easy dunks on a low hanging target like Bloomberg aren't likely to translate to sustained success. The problem is that Bernie basically has progressive voters sewn up so she's unlikely to gain much traction with them, and while moderates always like to hold her up as a viable alternative when they want to bash Bernie, they don't seem to want to, you know, actually vote for her.

That's an excuse not to acknowledge Warren supporters, as long as she's in the race we'll support her. Sanders has the socialists locked up, progressives as a whole are split between him, Warren and other candidates. How you're using moderates is so vague it could mean anything, and ignores the fact they may like her more than simply hating Sanders for reasons. Not everything revolves around entirely Sanders, that's a factor, not the exclusive factor.

I would honestly love it if Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, and the rest all just dropped out so the race would be a Sanders vs. Warren, but of course that would mean that the Democratic party has no choice but to adopt a progressive platform since the centrists will have all been eliminated.

That's not how this works. You do know the "dreaded centrists" AKA anyone who isn't supporting Bernie compromise of millions of people across the county and the majority of the Democrats in congress. Sanders isn't doing any purging of elected officials, and frankly, it's disturbing that you're thrilled about "centrists being eliminated" from the party.

For the time being, I'd prefer that Liz stayed in the race so that she can continue to go after Bloomberg in the debates, even if she has no chance to win the nomination she'd be doing good work just humiliating that cretin in public, and would be the favorite to secure that VP slot.

Warren being Sanders' VP would be a bad idea. She's needed in the senate, and nominees need VP who can bring either regional or opposite currency. Warren or Sanders would need someone conservative to fill in the gaps, since all Warren does is help him get more progressives, she's for a better reputation among the donors and conservatives of the party but it won't be enough by her alone to get them. That's why she would need someone like them as her VP.

And while I can't speak for everyone, personally I'm not so much angry when Bernie gets attacked as I am concerned that every ill-conceived criticism means another voter is thinking about staying home, voting third party, or just flat out supporting Trump instead of backing Bernie in the general. Especially when centrists get all pearl clutchy about Bernie Bros and trying to equate him to Trump, it definitely reeks of them already starting the process of rationalizing some shortsighted choice that will only help Trump stay in office because at their core they actually fear Bernie more.

This is a primary, and Sanders is the front runner. I doubt you were this concerned when Biden was the front runner. It's up to Sanders to get these people to vote for him in the general.

Whitewashing concerns about online harassment, sexism and death threats because they make your candidate look bad by association. Not a very progressive stance, I must say. That's something Sanders must figure out how to resolve as the nominee, he can't blame the right wing for the Bernie Bros.

Edit: Sanders socialism will hurt him more than the Bros will with voters.

[Superbat]

National CBS/YouGov General Election Poll:

Sanders 47% (+3)
Trump 44%

Biden 47% (+2)
Trump 45%

Warren 46% (+1)
Trump 45%

Trump 44%
Buttigieg 44%

Trump 45% (+1)
Klobuchar 44%

Trump 45% (+3)
Bloomberg 42%

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/...12656873660422

[Celgress]

National CBS/YouGov General Election Poll:

Sanders 47% (+3)
Trump 44%

Biden 47% (+2)
Trump 45%

Warren 46% (+1)
Trump 45%

Trump 44%
Buttigieg 44%

Trump 45% (+1)
Klobuchar 44%

Trump 45% (+3)
Bloomberg 42%

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/...12656873660422

I still think (and always have) that Sanders is the best shot for defeating Trump, if for no other reason than Sanders appeals to many fanatics (who make up the hardcore of Trump's base) as much or more so than Trump does.

[Tami]

I still think (and always have) that Sanders is the best shot for defeating Trump, if for no other reason than Sanders appeals to many fanatics (who make up the hardcore of Trump's base) as much or more so than Trump does.

Nevada GOP activist reveals how he ‘caucused for Bernie’ to help Trump win: ‘It would be a dream election’

Conservative activist Chuck Muth said that he temporarily switched parties to vote for Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders in the Nevada caucuses.

Muth, who spoke to the Las Vegas Journal-Review while wearing a red Keep America Great hat, explained that he had crossed over to “vote for the weakest candidate possible of the Democrats.”

“It was kind of a way of demonstrating how absurd I think it is to have same-day registration as well as early voting for a caucus,” Muth explained. “So my wife and I last Sunday went to an early voting site, we changed parties right there on the spot. We caucused for Bernie.”

[Celgress]

I was talking about the desperate and those who have lost faith in the system. The above clown might get an unpleasant surprise come November, mark my words.

[PwrdOn]

That's an excuse not to acknowledge Warren supporters, as long as she's in the race we'll support her. Sanders has the socialists locked up, progressives as a whole are split between him, Warren and other candidates. How you're using moderates is so vague it could mean anything, and ignores the fact they may like her more than simply hating Sanders for reasons. Not everything revolves around entirely Sanders, that's a factor, not the exclusive factor.



That's not how this works. You do know the "dreaded centrists" AKA anyone who isn't supporting Bernie compromise of millions of people across the county and the majority of the Democrats in congress. Sanders isn't doing any purging of elected officials, and frankly, it's disturbing that you're thrilled about "centrists being eliminated" from the party.



Warren being Sanders' VP would be a bad idea. She's needed in the senate, and nominees need VP who can bring either regional or opposite currency. Warren or Sanders would need someone conservative to fill in the gaps, since all Warren does is help him get more progressives, she's for a better reputation among the donors and conservatives of the party but it won't be enough by her alone to get them. That's why she would need someone like them as her VP.



This is a primary, and Sanders is the front runner. I doubt you were this concerned when Biden was the front runner. It's up to Sanders to get these people to vote for him in the general.

Whitewashing concerns about online harassment, sexism and death threats because they make your candidate look bad by association. Not a very progressive stance, I must say. That's something Sanders must figure out how to resolve as the nominee, he can't blame the right wing for the Bernie Bros.

Edit: Sanders socialism will hurt him more than the Bros will with voters.

If you want more recognition, maybe you should try organizing your fellow Warren supporters a bit better and getting them to the polls so she can actually compete in one of these primaries. To say that her campaign is on life support at this stage is not some kind of dismissive taunt but just a fair minded observation, if that debate performance wasn't able to get her higher than fourth in Nevada, and if she's on track to lose her home state to Bernie as the polls are indicating, I'm not sure what exactly can save her campaign. And this bears repeating once again - Warren was in the lead and looking like she was ready to cruise to the nomination until she put out that half-assed health care plan, and pretty much hasn't recovered from that. For all the fearmongering about socialism, American voters generally like those kinds of policies and Warren's popularity has always been built on sticking up for the little guy against the powers that be. But in this campaign she must have hired too many ex-Hillary staffers or something because, for some reason or another, she's just been waffling on the issues where she would have taken a strong and uncompromising stance before, and resorting to cheap tricks like leaking that "Bernie doesn't think a woman can win" line to the press, which completely backfired and did far more damage to her campaign than to Bernie's. And like I said before, I don't think any Sanders supporters are really all that bothered by the Bernie Bro accusations, we're more just concerned about you making fools of yourselves and ruining the chances for ANY Democrat to win in the general.

It works both ways. If Bernie wants the Democratic establishment to make some concessions for him as the nominee, then he has to make some concessions for them as well. As I said a few pages back, those who demand all or nothing, usually get nothing.

There's no need to make any concessions right now, the moderates have yet to put forth a viable candidate and going to a brokered convention would absolutely break the party, so for now Bernie can just sit back and watch the votes pile up not giving a damn what the DNC thinks. And honestly, this sort of thinking is how we ended up here in the first place, you don't compromise just to compromise, and until the Democrats learn that the GOP is going to keep eating their lunch just like they have been for the last four years.

[Gray Lensman]

Nevada GOP activist reveals how he ‘caucused for Bernie’ to help Trump win: ‘It would be a dream election’

I remember when Democrats thought Trump was a dream opponent. That didn't work out quite like it was hoped.

[Mister Mets]

I remember when Democrats thought Trump was a dream opponent. That didn't work out quite like it was hoped.

Are we sure he did better than anyone else would have?

Would President Rubio have lost the House for Republicans, or been so vulnerable to Sanders?

[Tami]

Take this however you want

Bernie Sanders defends his 1980s comments about Fidel Castro in an interview on 60 Minutes.
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Bernie Sanders said President Kennedy made him "physically nauseated" because President Kennedy took a stance against communism & Castro

Twitter Link

Interesting how all of this is starting to come to the surface. Not all of it are from Trolls.

[Superbat]

Take this however you want

Bernie Sanders defends his 1980s comments about Fidel Castro in an interview on 60 Minutes.
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Twitter Link

Interesting how all of this is starting to come to the surface. Not all of it are from Trolls.

He was already asked about this in 2016. In a primary debate.

They asked him about it in town halls and interviews. Weren't you paying attention?

[Tami]

Exclusive: Trump's "Deep State" hit list

The Trump White House and its allies, over the past 18 months, assembled detailed lists of disloyal government officials to oust — and trusted pro-Trump people to replace them — according to more than a dozen sources familiar with the effort who spoke to Axios.

[Billy Batson]

Are we sure he did better than anyone else would have?

Would President Rubio have lost the House for Republicans, or been so vulnerable to Sanders?

Rubio wouldn't have been selected in the first place.

[numberthirty]

Take this however you want

Bernie Sanders defends his 1980s comments about Fidel Castro in an interview on 60 Minutes.
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Bernie Sanders said President Kennedy made him "physically nauseated" because President Kennedy took a stance against communism & Castro

Twitter Link

Interesting how all of this is starting to come to the surface. Not all of it are from Trolls.

The way I take it...

If your last name is "Kennedy", you didn't do such a hot job on dealing with Cuba or The Teamsters.

I wasn't aware that this was a particularly "Left Of The Dial..." take.

[Zauriel]

Both Bloomberg and Sanders are 78 years old. If either of them wins the nomination and then wins the elections, they'd take over Trump as the oldest PEOTUS soon to be inaugurated in office. Trump was 70 years old when he got elected.