All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[PaulBullion]

Because in order to win a presidential election you need to be able to persuade people who would consider voting for the other guy.

The way this country has been polarized (especially by the Murdock media etc), that no longer works. It all comes down to voter turnout in each camp, and voter suppression.

[PwrdOn]

I doubt working class white voters are like Rogan. He is a libertarian atheist. Biden can peal away some white males and more white females from Trump. Do you think Bernie appeals to working class male voters?

Then you haven't met many working class white people, like Rogan most of them have no discernible political philosophy, they just tend to parrot whatever ideas sound good, and Bernie's ideas certainly sound much better than Biden's. At this point I don't see any discernible demographic among Trump voters that Biden has any real chance of swaying, he's just going to have to bank on turning out the base, and well, good luck with that.

Unpopular opinion: Universal healthcare in Italy, Spain and the UK did nothing to slow down the spread of the virus.

In a situation like this, government strategy and the quality of hospital care is essential. South Korea showed the world how effective early, wide spread testing can be. Germany has the lowest death rate because they have a lot of ICUs and have done a relatively good job of "firewalling" the elderly population.

So basically, it looks like politicizing a crisis when Bernie and his Bros are using the epidemic as an argument to bring M4A now. Whether you are for the concept or not, it is a non-sequitur as far as a global pandemic is concerned.

Germany and South Korea have universal health care also. And it's not politicizing the crisis to point out that many of the problems we're dealing with now are directly a product of a health system that prioritizes profits over people. We're so short on critical supplies that states are in a bidding war over masks and ventilators, and we've even had to resort to outright piracy to steal shipments from other countries. Nevermind the fact that we are just about the only country where government officials tried to push people to go back to work to ensure that businesses stay profitable, rather than figuring out how to leverage the resources at our disposal to tide us over until we can go outside again.

[Malvolio]

Masks do ****, they literally dont stop you GETTING Covid 19 and slightly slow you GIVING Covid 19 but lose effectiveness quickly when you make it damp.

Oh yes. If you're wearing a mask and you sneeze into it, throw that mask away. Whether your sneeze is just from seasonal allergies or actually from Covid 19 or anything in between, you've contaminated it. It's worthless now, so throw it away.

[Kirby101]

Then you haven't met many working class white people, like Rogan most of them have no discernible political philosophy, they just tend to parrot whatever ideas sound good, and Bernie's ideas certainly sound much better than Biden's. At this point I don't see any discernible demographic among Trump voters that Biden has any real chance of swaying, he's just going to have to bank on turning out the base, and well, good luck with that.

Actually, it's the other way around. There is no discernible demographic among non Trump voters that Trump has any chance of swaying. With his 42% he will have to pull another inside straight while losing by more votes than last time. You don't think any of those non Hillary voters will vote for Biden? I can't see that being the case. And with Biden Trump will not win Pennsylvania, and probably Michigan.

[Kirby101]

Oh yes. If you're wearing a mask and you sneeze into it, throw that mask away. Whether your sneeze is just from seasonal allergies or actually from Covid 19 or anything in between, you've contaminated it. It's worthless now, so throw it away.

There is a thing called soap.

[Mister Mets]

The way this country has been polarized (especially by the Murdock media etc), that no longer works. It all comes down to voter turnout in each camp, and voter suppression.

There aren't a lot of swing voters, but they matter a lot.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ers-are-there/

Part of the reason Democrats won so many house seats in 2018 is that they were able to persuade people who voted for Trump.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

There aren't a lot of swing voters, but they matter a lot.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ers-are-there/

Part of the reason Democrats won so many house seats in 2018 is that they were able to persuade people who voted for Trump.

Pretty much. There’s a group in the middle that leans one way and probably identifies more with one party, but they are malleable. It’s a game of inducing urgency in your base so they come out and give you a floor and then appealing to those wishy washy people (aka people who voted for Obama and then Trump).

And that’s not an ideological thing either necessarily. It’s a compelling argument thing or appealing to sensibilities thing). Aka the person who you don’t think is racist or sexist but bought that Hillary was some evil mastermind and/or said things like “well Trump at least says what he means”. It’s more of a connecting with people who aren’t paying attention

[PwrdOn]

Actually, it's the other way around. There is no discernible demographic among non Trump voters that Trump has any chance of swaying. With his 42% he will have to pull another inside straight while losing by more votes than last time. You don't think any of those non Hillary voters will vote for Biden? I can't see that being the case. And with Biden Trump will not win Pennsylvania, and probably Michigan.

Trump doesn't have to sway anyone, he will win as long as his base holds firm, and we have yet to see any evidence that it won't. And what makes you think that Biden will be able to swing Pennsylvania and Michigan? He hasn't given them a single reason to vote for him.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Actually, it's the other way around. There is no discernible demographic among non Trump voters that Trump has any chance of swaying. With his 42% he will have to pull another inside straight while losing by more votes than last time. You don't think any of those non Hillary voters will vote for Biden? I can't see that being the case. And with Biden Trump will not win Pennsylvania, and probably Michigan.

Problem with this is that the Democratic Party relies on the less likely and more malleable than Trump’s

[Kirby101]

Trump doesn't have to sway anyone, he will win as long as his base holds firm, and we have yet to see any evidence that it won't. And what makes you think that Biden will be able to swing Pennsylvania and Michigan? He hasn't given them a single reason to vote for him.

None of the polling says that is true. More than half the voters polled say they will not vote for Trump. His base is 43% at best. His base only voters lost the GOP the biggest Congressional swing in 50 years in 2018. Not sure why you think his base can win him this election?
Biden is from Pennsylvania and is well liked there. Will pick up voters Hillary did not get. Trump has being losing Michigan all by himself with his treatment of the Governor.

[Gray Lensman]

Actually, it's the other way around. There is no discernible demographic among non Trump voters that Trump has any chance of swaying. With his 42% he will have to pull another inside straight while losing by more votes than last time. You don't think any of those non Hillary voters will vote for Biden? I can't see that being the case. And with Biden Trump will not win Pennsylvania, and probably Michigan.

Trump may have lost Michigan this time all on his own, although Biden might try to cement that via his Veep pick. Speaking of which, Biden has informed Sanders that he is starting his search for Veep and cabinet picks. Although Joe's lead is virtually insurmountable, Bernie hasn't been mathematically eliminated yet, so Biden decided to let Sanders know in advance to avoid the appearance of presumption. He is also going to be looking specifically at younger politicians to help raise the profile (and give relative experience to) the next generation of leaders for the next 4-16 years.

[Kirby101]

Problem with this is that the Democratic Party relies on the less likely and more malleable than Trump’s

True. A big get out the vote effort will be necessary. But they showed up in 2018, and Trumps base didn't.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

None of the polling says that is true. More than half the voters polled say they will not vote for Trump. His base is 43% at best. His base only voters lost the GOP the biggest Congressional swing in 50 years in 2018. Not sure why you think his base can win him this election?
Biden is from Pennsylvania and is well liked there. Will pick up voters Hillary did not get. Trump has being losing Michigan all by himself with his treatment of the Governor.

The day before Super Tuesday all the polls had Sanders having an insurmountable win. It’s the 4th month of the year and the election is the 11th month of the year. Hillary looked she was going to win most of the election.

I’m not saying this to say the polls are wrong right now, but this isn’t the time to be optimistic. It’s the time to act desperate like you think you will lose and claw for every advantage

[Iron Maiden]

There is a thing called soap.

Yes, I think you can do that with the sturdier mask. Wash it when you get home and let it dry. I found a couple I forgot I had from when I would use bug spray on my roses. I've been wearing those.

[PaulBullion]

True. A big get out the vote effort will be necessary. But they showed up in 2018, and Trumps base didn't.

I am wondering if anyone on Trump's campaign team is worried that parts of Trump's base are currently exercising their freedoms by packing church pews and socializing in other non-liberal, non-distanced ways.

But I guess it's balanced out by large cities with mass transport being hit hard, and they being very Biden blue.