All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[SquirrelMan]

Sanders dropping out makes the situation very different - for (in actual life probably pretty small) "Bernie or Bust" crowd and their very vocal online buddies who are actually right-wingers pretending to be lefties and actual bots or Russian operatives. Back in 2016, they used "Bernie math" and pretended that the fight continued all the way to the convention, and that they were not helping Trump because they were fighting to make Bernie the nominee after all so he could beat Trump more easily than "Shillary."

What is their story going to be in 2020?

[shooshoomanjoe]

Then put me on your ignore list, because I honestly think that's what we have.

The minute the sexual assualt allegations came out, it became an election between 2 alleged rapists. And that pretty much guranteed the "lesser of 2 evils" narrative.

WHich isn't to say that Biden is actually guilty of sexual assault... or that Trump is guilty for that matter. THat's for the courts to decide IF it even gets to that point for either person. But the fact that we're dealing with not one but 2 presidential candidates with this hovering over their heads is exactly why this is such a pain election to watch.

trump admitted to sexual assault and also said he likes to walk in on teenage girls undressing. And the so called 'party of family values' accepted that.

[SquirrelMan]

Oklahoma embarrassment, Senator James Inhofe, is no longer running unopposed.

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ab-website

[jetengine]

wow, actually feel sorry for you. blinded by hate..

Hate? Wow.

You lot are an ignorant bunch arent you.

[jetengine]

trump admitted to sexual assault and also said he likes to walk in on teenage girls undressing. And the so called 'party of family values' accepted that.

Meanwhile we have this one allegation thats hideously dodgy at absolute best and no other pattern whatsoever other then him being weird about personal space, irrespective of gender.

[Kirby101]

The fact that someone elses candidate didn't get the nomnation doens't make the one who did bad. But you can argue the fact that he may have committed sexual assualt and doesn't always know what day of the week it is or what he's running for can in the eyes of some can make him look pretty bad.

Lets not kid ourselves.. Biden has some GLARING weaknesses. Not that Trump doesn't, but Trump has already established that he can win despite those short comings because for whatever reason he can get away with things that even other Republicans on their best day can't.

I can deny both. The first is still very questionable, the second is Trump propaganda.

[TheDarman]

Then put me on your ignore list, because I honestly think that's what we have.

The minute the sexual assualt allegations came out, it became an election between 2 alleged rapists. And that pretty much guranteed the "lesser of 2 evils" narrative.

WHich isn't to say that Biden is actually guilty of sexual assault... or that Trump is guilty for that matter. THat's for the courts to decide IF it even gets to that point for either person. But the fact that we're dealing with not one but 2 presidential candidates with this hovering over their heads is exactly why this is such a pain election to watch.

I think it is important to recognize that Biden has one, insanely flawed story hovering over him. Trump has over a dozen, with a woman even willing to comply with a DNA test to prove that he did it. We also have him on video bragging about doing these kinds of things. To create false equivalence between the two, to me, reeks of wanting to establish this narrative despite that narrative being insanely flawed.

[Tendrin]

I think it is important to recognize that Biden has one, insanely flawed story hovering over him. Trump has over a dozen, with a woman even willing to comply with a DNA test to prove that he did it. We also have him on video bragging about doing these kinds of things. To create false equivalence between the two, to me, reeks of wanting to establish this narrative despite that narrative being insanely flawed.

We have to resign ourselves to the fact that this is what's going to happen to *every* democratic presidential nominee from here out.

[jetengine]

We have to resign ourselves to the fact that this is what's going to happen to *every* democratic presidential nominee from here out.

Once again the Republicans unleash a beast they cant control.

First they call everyone socialists, now legitimate communists are gaining more and more followers because they go "why go half measure". If every Democrat is a rapist then eventually it'll end up with Republican women getting raped and no one caring because "every politicians a rapist"

[TheDarman]

We have to resign ourselves to the fact that this is what's going to happen to *every* democratic presidential nominee from here out.

I mean, they found a way to equalize the narrative between someone accused of actual sexual assault and a woman who defended her husband from allegations of the same. Certainly, the latter may not be what you want out of a leader, but I think it was also disappointing to see women who Bill Clinton allegedly assaulted allowing themselves to be used by another serial sexual assaulter as a political prop. It shouldn’t be surprising that these were what was leveled at Biden.

And, here’s the thing, if investigators could actually get in touch with Reade’s brother (who wouldn’t respond for comment) or her friend (who Reade won’t our investigative journalists in touch with), I think it would be a whole lot less fishy on the merits of the story alone (which already raise numerous questions). As it stands, it seems very unsubstantiated and ultimately contextually challenged to what was actually going on in 1993.

[XPac]

I think it is important to recognize that Biden has one, insanely flawed story hovering over him. Trump has over a dozen, with a woman even willing to comply with a DNA test to prove that he did it. We also have him on video bragging about doing these kinds of things. To create false equivalence between the two, to me, reeks of wanting to establish this narrative despite that narrative being insanely flawed.

SPeaking for myself, I don't want the narrative for EITHER person. I'm merely suggesting that regardless of what I personally want, it exists. Fair or not its out there, and it's a bit naive to think it will go away in a presidential election. In all honestly I hope it does, and this comes down to more of a debale of policy than attacks on the other person... but I think that's wishful thinking.

[Kirby101]

SPeaking for myself, I don't want the narrative for EITHER person. I'm merely suggesting that regardless of what I personally want, it exists. Fair or not its out there, and it's a bit naive to think it will go away in a presidential election. In all honestly I hope it does, and this comes down to more of a debale of policy than attacks on the other person... but I think that's wishful thinking.

Trump has no policy, he only knows attacks and personal aggrandizement.

[SquirrelMan]

SPeaking for myself, I don't want the narrative for EITHER person. I'm merely suggesting that regardless of what I personally want, it exists. Fair or not its out there, and it's a bit naive to think it will go away in a presidential election. In all honestly I hope it does, and this comes down to more of a debale of policy than attacks on the other person... but I think that's wishful thinking.

Trump admitting to it kind of makes it more than a "narrative," friend.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Trump has no policy, he only knows attacks and personal aggrandizement.

I beg to differ, Caramel Caligula DOES have a policy: If a law, rule or regulation has Obama's name on it, Trump will move heaven and earth to kill it.

[Amadeus Arkham]

I mean, they found a way to equalize the narrative between someone accused of actual sexual assault and a woman who defended her husband from allegations of the same. Certainly, the latter may not be what you want out of a leader, but I think it was also disappointing to see women who Bill Clinton allegedly assaulted allowing themselves to be used by another serial sexual assaulter as a political prop. It shouldn’t be surprising that these were what was leveled at Biden.

And, here’s the thing, if investigators could actually get in touch with Reade’s brother (who wouldn’t respond for comment) or her friend (who Reade won’t our investigative journalists in touch with), I think it would be a whole lot less fishy on the merits of the story alone (which already raise numerous questions). As it stands, it seems very unsubstantiated and ultimately contextually challenged to what was actually going on in 1993.

May I ask you (and other members here) this hypothetical question: What if Biden was credibly accused of sexual misconduct to the same level as Trump would you still support him and vote for him out of necessity to avoid four more years of Trump? Or is voting for another accused sexual predator simply because he’s the better alternative simply a line you personally won’t cross even it is for the sake of saving the country?


For the record, I’m in the same boat as you in regards to the Tara Reade allegation. I find her story to be quite dubious.